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Flash Walken · 04-23-2018, 11:02 AM

For me the question is whether Hayes is better than Backlund, not whether he's better than Ferland.

6'05 defensively responsible centre/wingers that score 25 goals don't grow on trees.

If you swapped Hayes for Brodie this season the Flames are a playoff team IMO.

CliffFletcher · 04-23-2018, 11:12 AM

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Why do some posters insist on trading Janko after less than a year.

Nobody is insisting Janko is traded. But some of us realize that if you want to get a difference maker in a trade, you have to give up quality. A genuine top-six forward who isn't over 30 will cost something good from the Flames. Something that hurts to give up.

Ryan O'Reilly, for instance, would instantly become the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Flames roster. The guy centred a line for Canada in the World Cup, for pete's sake. Anyone who think the Flames could get him without giving up one of their 5 or 6 best players and/or a top prospect is dreaming.

Or look at Bjugstad. Or Hayes, These guys are the 6th or 7th best players on their teams, and just entering their prime. Is it madness to the suggest the Flames might have to up their 6th or 7th best player, or a top prospect, to reach a deal?

Do people ever stop to wonder why, if the Flames have 8 or 9 players that are too good to trade for anything but another team's top 3 or 4 players, the Flames finished 20th in the league this year?

Jiri Hrdina · 04-23-2018, 11:19 AM

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I don't get the argument though, or why Ferland was even brought up.

In Flash's proposal he didn't trade away Ferland or any forward for that matter except Brouwer.

So, we would have both Hayes and Ferland. And also Fast.

Plus, if Brendan Smith can be salvaged he helps fill the void left by Brodie, if Kulak, Kylington or Valaimaki can't.

He's added two useful forwards to the top 9 without removing any.

Still not sure if I would do that trade, but I get where he's coming from.

My fear would be that if Hayes isn't a material upgrade then you aren't solving the core problem as I assume Ferland would just become a more typical 4th liner away from JG.

My theory is the Flames need a big upgrade in that slot.

CliffFletcher · 04-23-2018, 11:31 AM

The Flames were 27th in the NHL in goals for, and they can't fit a 25 year old RW who scored 25 goals into their lineup?

Would we prefer James Neal (same 25-19-44 stat line as Hayes this season), at 5.75 mil/year from age 31-34? Because he's the best UFA likely to be available at RW.

CliffFletcher · 04-23-2018, 11:34 AM

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My theory is the Flames need a big upgrade in that slot.

But who?

Roof-Daddy · 04-23-2018, 11:41 AM

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My fear would be that if Hayes isn't a material upgrade then you aren't solving the core problem as I assume Ferland would just become a more typical 4th liner away from JG.

My theory is the Flames need a big upgrade in that slot.

Yeah, I'd love a stud RW for the top line too, but in this case it's an upgrade because it adds depth, as in if Hayes plays top line RW, you now have Ferland in the bottom six.

Seeing as that was the weakest point on the roster this season, I'd consider it an upgrade for that alone. Plus you add Fast into the bottom six as well.

Plus you have the added versatility of Hayes being able to play center as well if needed, which Ferland certainly cannot do.

Not to mention, this is all just assuming that Hayes = Ferland in the top 6, when there is the very real possibility that he ends up being an upgrade.

GioforPM · 04-23-2018, 01:35 PM

People were advocating hard for Hoffman. Hayes checks a lot of the same boxes, just in a lesser way.

Less career offence but 3 years younger, huge, can centre if needed and maybe trending upwards based on last year.

His production was very consistent considering he was given different linemates on a constant basis by AV.

dustygoon · 04-23-2018, 02:08 PM

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Sounds like Alex Nylander might not be long for Buffalo.

Was on the 4th line and then benched for the 3rd period, while the Rochester Americans were trailing by one goal in an AHL playoff game. Sabres upper management was there watching the game too.

Might be getting to the point where a change of scenery needs to be tried.

Didn’t Burke say that Alex is better than his older brother at the time of the draft?

Ashasx · 04-23-2018, 02:28 PM

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Didn’t Burke say that Alex is better than his older brother at the time of the draft?

was probably hoping the Oilers would reach at 3.

Roof-Daddy · 04-23-2018, 05:43 PM

Read here somewhere before that Slava Voynov wants back in the NHL, hasn't re-signed in Russia yet.

Reportedly the Kings have no interest, but Voynov apparently has interest in 5 teams in particular.

Panthers, Habs, Jets, Islanders and Rangers.

The Jets are a contender now, but that still doesn't make much sense for them to be lumped in with those other eastern teams.

Flames have a lot of right hand D, but an asset is an asset. I know he did a slimy thing, and many here won't agree with me, but I don't think I'd be sad if Calgary snagged him. Good mobile right handed PMD still in his prime, which would then allow Calgary to deal D for forward help without weakening the overall roster.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-23-2018, 06:43 PM

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Read here somewhere before that Slava Voynov wants back in the NHL, hasn't re-signed in Russia yet.

Reportedly the Kings have no interest, but Voynov apparently has interest in 5 teams in particular.

Panthers, Habs, Jets, Islanders and Rangers.

The Jets are a contender now, but that still doesn't make much sense for them to be lumped in with those other eastern teams.

Flames have a lot of right hand D, but an asset is an asset. I know he did a slimy thing, and many here won't agree with me, but I don't think I'd be sad if Calgary snagged him. Good mobile right handed PMD still in his prime, which would then allow Calgary to deal D for forward help without weakening the overall roster.

If I am Voynov, I see Hamilton/Hamonic/Stone in my way. I'd choose a different team.

Monahan For Mayor · 04-24-2018, 07:41 AM

Also said this in the Bennett thread but it applies here as well.

One player I would like Treliving to make a call about is Bryan Rust. RFA this summer and the Pens only have about 4.5M cap going into next season wth 5-6 slots to be filled. Rust is probably due for a raise to 3.5-4.5M. I'm sure the Pens would rather retain him than trade him but might as well make the call. Rust could be a great pair with Bennett or on the top line with Mony and Johnny.

TheScorpion · 04-24-2018, 07:53 AM

Big no to Bryan Rust or any other ex-Crosby linemates.

VilleN · 04-24-2018, 08:11 AM

^ Yeah, I tend to agree... Playing with Crosby and/or Malkin makes it pretty difficult to assess the actual value of a player.

Geeoff · 04-24-2018, 08:12 AM

Rust is an example of the type of player you'd hope your system could produce consistently on ELCs.

Monahan For Mayor · 04-24-2018, 08:24 AM

I agree with the Crosby concerns. However from the time I've watched Rust I think he is the type of player our roster needs to add. He has a endless motor and the speed to go with it. He has been a great complimentary piece to Crosby and I think he would do great on the RW of our top line. Also think him an Bennett would make a great pair lower in the line up. A RW RS with speed is definitely a need for our roster.

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Rust is an example of the type of player you'd hope your system could produce consistently on ELCs.

I agree. Unfortunately the Flames haven't been able to replicate this.

ComixZone · 04-24-2018, 08:25 AM

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I agree. Unfortunately the Flames haven't been able to replicate this.

All it takes is an opportunity. Foo and Dube both look poised.

Monahan For Mayor · 04-24-2018, 08:31 AM

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All it takes is an opportunity. Foo and Dube both look poised.

Would you be willing to go into the season with the same group of forwards as last season with the addition of one of those guys ? I personally am not. We don't have the depth to bank on them coming in and making immediate impact. The stage the team is in right now id personally rather have some more proven performers. I do however believe they need every opportunity to make the roster in camp, and first shot with injuries. No more over the hump veterans as our fill ins for injury.

Roof-Daddy · 04-24-2018, 08:32 AM

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All it takes is an opportunity. Foo and Dube both look poised.

Mangiapane also. Over a point per game in the AHL at 21 is nothing to sneeze at.

Roof-Daddy · 04-24-2018, 08:35 AM

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Would you be willing to go into the season with the same group of forwards as last season with the addition of one of those guys ? I personally am not. We don't have the depth to bank on them coming in and making immediate impact. The stage the team is in right now id personally rather have some more proven performers. I do however believe they need every opportunity to make the roster in camp, and first shot with injuries. No more over the hump veterans as our fill ins for injury.

This is a great question. Especially with Janko and Bennett once again vying for the 3rd line center role. Is Tre comfortable gambling the season on one of these two anchoring an effective 3rd line? Or does he look to trade for a top 6 center like O'Reilly, or sign one via UFA, like Tavares, Stastny...or more realistically a guy like Bozak?

Personally, if our center depth going into next season is:

Monahan
Backlund
Jankowski
Bennett

I will not not be filled to the brim with confidence, that's for sure.