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Old 05-26-2022, 06:16 PM   #1381
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This is the moment when arming anyone, teachers, security guards, retired soldiers all became irrelevant, this was first generation modern Kevlar, the new stuff is twice as good, it now takes hundreds of rounds to bring down a shooter once you have them cornered as they did yesterday, as long as the shooter is on the move they are all but immune to being shot by normal guns

What about....a Pencil?
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Old 05-26-2022, 06:57 PM   #1382
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Now 18 minutes of police scanner recording is suddenly gone? The #### is flying on how this situation was handled. My gosh, it just gets worse and worse!
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:17 PM   #1383
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^^^ That is the GOPs wet dream.

I'm only half serious here but do you think enacting serious gun measures could throw America into a civil war? Perhaps its a bit far fetched but could it??
Nothing serious will ever get enacted the way the Senate is structured. So that's not a concern. But don't something like 80% of Americans support some of the measures being proposed, like background checks? It'd be like the freedom convoy, where they THINK they have this massive amonut of support country wide, but it turned out it was only a fraction of Canadians supporting their dumb asses. The US Senate is basically this. Like, look at the 2018 Senate elections...
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:54 PM   #1384
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This is the moment when arming anyone, teachers, security guards, retired soldiers all became irrelevant, this was first generation modern Kevlar, the new stuff is twice as good, it now takes hundreds of rounds to bring down a shooter once you have them cornered as they did yesterday, as long as the shooter is on the move they are all but immune to being shot by normal guns



I worked in news back then and I remember watching that live off of a satellite feed. It's was just bonkers. The whole station had monitors tuned into that feed.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:25 AM   #1385
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Interesting to see the parents being charged with manslaughter. Will be curious to see how that goes and to what extent it's justified in this case. I often feel that parents are not considered accountable enough for their children's actions in cases of this kind of extreme violence. It goes hand in hand with a culture of individualism that places little emphasis on responsibility of family and community for the actions of their members.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:28 AM   #1386
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/ro...llo/index.html

11 year old survivor recounts the terror. Continues to underscore the utterly inept and cowardly police response.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:38 AM   #1387
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11 year old survivor recounts the terror. Continues to underscore the utterly inept and cowardly police response.
That is so heartbreaking.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:39 AM   #1388
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11 year old survivor recounts the terror. Continues to underscore the utterly inept and cowardly police response.
That's horrific, but why on earth are the parents of this child allowing her to do an interview? Maybe consider her mental health and get counselling instead.
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That's horrific, but why on earth are the parents of this child allowing her to do an interview? Maybe consider her mental health and get counselling instead.
The $110,000 the GoFundMe has raised already for her and was highlighted in the interview probably has something to do with it

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Nothing serious will ever get enacted the way the Senate is structured. So that's not a concern. But don't something like 80% of Americans support some of the measures being proposed, like background checks? It'd be like the freedom convoy, where they THINK they have this massive amonut of support country wide, but it turned out it was only a fraction of Canadians supporting their dumb asses. The US Senate is basically this. Like, look at the 2018 Senate elections...
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Wyoming (pop. 0.56MM) and California (pop. 39.5MM) each have two senators.

Seems fair.
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Wyoming (pop. 0.56MM) and California (pop. 39.5MM) each have two senators.

Seems fair.
Sure but alternative is what we have in Canada. Don't we complain that all decisions are made in Ontario and Quebec and have no government body to counteract that? We've proposed the idea of a Triple-E Senate around before but it's never passed.
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This is hard to listen to. Why does a girl inside a school in that situation have to call 911 multiple times asking the police to help? Why is once not enough? I can't believe the length of time it took before somebody did something to help those poor kids and teachers. Unbelievable.

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So even the police say the police made mistakes waiting too long?
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Interesting to see the parents being charged with manslaughter. Will be curious to see how that goes and to what extent it's justified in this case. I often feel that parents are not considered accountable enough for their children's actions in cases of this kind of extreme violence. It goes hand in hand with a culture of individualism that places little emphasis on responsibility of family and community for the actions of their members.
I get it if they gave the kid a gun knowing he was ill but in this case what did they do, he was 18 and bought the guns legally, they should charge the state of Texas with manslaughter, they are way way more culpable
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Wyoming (pop. 0.56MM) and California (pop. 39.5MM) each have two senators.

Seems fair.
It is fair. California has 53 representative in the lower house to Wyoming's 1. So it balances out.
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Sure but alternative is what we have in Canada. Don't we complain that all decisions are made in Ontario and Quebec and have no government body to counteract that? We've proposed the idea of a Triple-E Senate around before but it's never passed.
Off-topic, but do we complain about that? Polling suggests that the current iteration of the senate, including the reforms to appointments and mandate that began in 2015, has a higher approval rating among Canadians than any in decades.

If there's a lesson for the US in our senate, it's that fixing senate functionality shouldn't necessarily be about seat allocation, it's about (a) trying to reduce partisanship; and (b) modifying its mandate to task it with improving, then passing house legislation, rather than functioning as an obstructionist body in regards to legislation. Fix the first issue (partisanship), and that should largely fix the second as well, as a non-partisan body will want to be non-obstructionist.
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It is fair. California has 53 representative in the lower house to Wyoming's 1. So it balances out.
Yes, but this is a question of the Senate. Is it fair for each state to have two, when one state has a population that is 80 times larger than another?

The Senate is what is making the slaughter in the USA continue.
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I don’t really agree with how this is shifting a lot of focus away from the real problem of gun violence. Making the police response the issue isn’t really progress, it is just pushing things further along that “arm the teachers” path.
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It is fair. California has 53 representative in the lower house to Wyoming's 1. So it balances out.
it does not balance out, since any bill needs to pass both houses...

I'll gladly trade House votes, 2:1 for Senate seats... you think any of the GOP would accept that trade?

How about 3:1?

The Senate hold more power than the House, despite the number of votes
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