[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Bunk

A condition of approval needs to be met prior to City recommending approval. For example, the panels would have to be reflected in the plan. Prior to release is another option, not required prior to approval, but prior to DP release has to be satisfied. Prior to occupancy means that nothing needs to be provided at time of approval or release, but when the City grants occupancy permits, the applicant will have to have satisfied the condition by then. This is a mechanism to buy time if the precise solution is not known at time of approval.

Edit: I’ll just note that Ryan Pike deleted his tweet about the agreement related to cost obligations. I understand referenced transportation costs were not related to the event management plan (City obligation).

Bunk and I have the nerdiest DM exchanges.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Could CP crowdfund ownership of the flames?? You guys want to own the team?

I'll contribute, but only if you put up half the cost.

Actually no, half the cost + you buy me a coffee or I walk. Take it or leave it.

[krazycanuck]

Flames news today sucks big hairy donkey balls.

I feel sick.

[CroFlames]

North American sports will never allow community owned clubs.

Except the Packers but they were grandfathered in.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Torture

I'll contribute, but only if you put up half the cost.

Actually no, half the cost + you buy me a coffee or I walk. Take it or leave it.

Deal if you pay coffee for me for the duration of construction period AND also donuts half the time

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Thank you for this.

This is very realistic. The city is 90% bureaucratic, not responsive to small business and always involved in Ascent of taxes.

When it comes to any issue they are involved they employ the top law firm in Calgary at taxpayer expense. So you cannot hire a better team to combat them.

People are blind.

Actually, the City typically uses internal counsel in lawsuits. The Flames typically hire a variety of firms, depending on the issue. They aren’t involved in a lot of civil litigation. Mostly smaller employment or venue disputes. Edwards uses a fair number of the bigger firms for CNRL, so a lot of top firms might be conflicted out anyway.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by DJones

No one is moving to Quebec. Houston for sure.

The Flames are not moving, this is business negotiation tactics. It amazes me how many jackels are coming out gleefully predicting a move or even hoping for one. You call yourselves Flames fans? F off, you have no idea how much the Flames mean to Calgary or how damn lucky the city is to have an NHL team. For the life of me I don't understand why someone would waste their time on a hockey team message board when they clearly don't give two craps about the franchise. It really pisses me off when I read posters hoping the team moves or that they don't care. Wtf are you doing here then?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Just (another) bump in the road imo.

One day they will have a new arena, and it will be glorious.

[Yoho]

Rookie mayor getting lit up at every turn so far.

[The Yen Man]

What's the purpose of Gondek releasing these in tweets anyways? Smells like the city pushed for too much and effed up something, and now doing damage control in going on the offensive trying to paint the other party as the bad guys before any details get released.

[Jacks]

Not crazy about the mayor spilling this all on Twitter. Surely they could have cooled off a bit and reengaged after the holidays to find common ground. Now it will be tried in the court of public opinion and both sides will be entrenched.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Running a business is a risk. No one is making them run it, and citizens shouldn't be on the hook for their business. They got way more than a fair deal from the city. Small businesses are taking risks, why aren't they getting nice deals from the city?

This makes no sense. Fine, you are opposed to any public funds allocated towards the arena. So by your logic any amount of City contribution is unfair to Calgarians. I was going to ask what in your mind would be a fair deal.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What's the purpose of Gondek releasing these in tweets anyways? Smells like the city pushed for too much and effed up something, and now doing damage control in going on the offensive trying to paint the other party as the bad guys before any details get released.

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not crazy about the mayor spilling this all on Twitter. Surely they could have cooled off a bit and reengaged after the holidays to find common ground. Now it will be tried in the court of public opinion and both sides will be entrenched.

Yeah I don't get why she did this either. It seems like a bad play for something that is incredibly small in the grand scheme. Couldn't this be resolved behind close doors? What does she gain from leaking this out?

[chubeyr1]

The Flames and the City had a deal in place. Gondek is now moving the goal posts.

4.1 million dollars for climate mitigation?
I have never heard of something so stupid in my life. Please anyone, explain this to me!

Murray Edwards is a billionaire. So that means he is corrupt and an ahole. No argument here.

This is all on Gondek though.

If you did not like the arena deal I understand. Yet the City agreed to it.
If I am Murray Edwards I now sue the City. He will win!
Climate mitigation?

Gondek is going to learn a big lesson here really soon.

I am sure others that didn’t like the deal will post here. I get that. Edwards is a ###### bag fine. The City had a deal in place and it is Gondek breaking that deal. 18 months of dealing with Nenshi, and now this on a arena deal.
This is like buying new fighter jets for our military.

Even if the Flames move. Calgary will build a new arena. Every city does. Yet tax payers will pay for all of it. I would prefer a partner to split the difference.

Climate mitigation? Is that the next tax after the carbon tax?
Welcome to the new Nenshi! We had a deal in place. Gondek wants to change that.

I want to be in the media!

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Did you not see the Mayor on the news? How is that NDC and code of conduct for contract negotiation.

I imagine everything she's said has been run through the legal team, walking the line of what she's allowed to say without getting in trouble for it. This isn't an emotional knee jerk. This is still the negotiation.

Anyways, I imagine changing prices and optimistic budgets might have more influence on the goings on today than advertised.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames are not moving, this is business negotiation tactics. It amazes me how many jackels are coming out gleefully predicting a move or even hoping for one. You call yourselves Flames fans? F off, you have no idea how much the Flames mean to Calgary or how damn lucky the city is to have an NHL team. For the life of me I don't understand why someone would waste their time on a hockey team message board when they clearly don't give two craps about the franchise. It really pisses me off when I read posters hoping the team moves or that they don't care. Wtf are you doing here then?

Obviously I'm a Flames fan but at the same time I don't want the city funding half of it and I understand they can make a #### ton more money if they sell/move.

Building an arena for an NHL team makes zero sense from a business standpoint. They make like 20M a year. Their profits would hardly cover the interest.

I'd do the same thing as the Flames are doing. With supply chain issues they are probably looking at 100 million in overages. Would you bank that much money on east village thriving and downtown not being a ghost town all while the team continues to sell out with tickets going up 30%?

[CaptainCrunch]

I fully expect that both sides will heavily lawyer up, and this will end up in court and then the truth will come out.

I don't usually believe the spin actions of politicians, we'll probably have a counter press conference by the Flames with their "side".

If the mayor's moving the goal post is a large enough issues, the Lawyers will go to war on both sides costing more millions in taxpayer dollars.

If the Flames leave, we'll never see an NHL team here again, The Stamps will fold.

This is going to play out in the court of public opinion and screaming rage for the next year.

But I do think that our new mayor is a bit of a wing nut.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kind of fascinating watching people vocally against government spending in most areas turn 180 and criticise the government for, in their words, looking for a better deal and to avoid spending more money.

100%. Flames fans who don't understand how construction costs work are giving the equivalent opinion of police officers if you asked them what they think of defunding the police.

[Ducay]

Its Edwards. Man will stop at nothing to get a favourable deal for himself; hold the line council

[Chi-Town Hustler]

But won't you locals complain about higher ticket prices once a new arena is built?