View Poll Results: Pick the best coach from the following list
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Pierre Page
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52.13% |
Glen Gulutzan
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14 |
14.89% |
Doug Risebrough
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17.02% |
Greg Gilbert
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6 |
6.38% |
Don Hay
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9.57% |
07-26-2020, 09:13 AM
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#1
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Calgary Flames Coach Ranking - #13
1. Darryl Sutter
2. Bob Johnson
3. Terry Crisp
4. Bob Hartley
5. Dave King
6. Al MacNeill
7. Mike Keenan
8. Brian Sutter
9. Brent Sutter (run off w/ Peters)
10. Bill Peters
11. Jim Playfair
12. Geoff Ward
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07-26-2020, 09:18 AM
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#2
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Not a lot left to choose from ... went to regular season and playoff win % and it's Risebrough.
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07-26-2020, 09:59 AM
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#3
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Not a lot left to choose from ... went to regular season and playoff win % and it's Risebrough.
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He missed the playoffs with the 91-92 team. He should be dead last for that.
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07-26-2020, 12:24 PM
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#4
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
He missed the playoffs with the 91-92 team. He should be dead last for that.
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Risebrough did a lot of little things right in his first season as head coach, which was also the last time the Flames ever broke 100 without the benefit of loser points. Unfortunately, in the playoffs he ran up against the defending champions, the Proud Old Oilers, whom I generally referred to by their initials.
The trouble in '91-92 is that he spent most of his time being a rookie GM and wrecking the team with bad trades and inexplicable drafting, and in consequence, the team didn't really have a head coach until he fired himself.
Really, you can blame the owners for sewering that season, because they handed the two most important full-time jobs in the organization to a guy who had little experience at either of them. If they had just bitten the bullet and hired a full-time GM, or hell, even given the job to Al Coates at that time, I believe Risebrough would have worked out as a coach.
OK, signing off again.
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07-26-2020, 01:08 PM
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#5
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
He missed the playoffs with the 91-92 team. He should be dead last for that.
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Led them into the dumpster, team still had a lot of all stars.
As bad as he was the next best is probably Gulutzan.
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07-26-2020, 02:20 PM
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#6
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Is this what it feels like to go dumpster diving? I hate voting for Risebrough but he did coach the team to a 100 point season. Page, Gulutzan, Gilbert, and Hay were all horrible coaches.
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07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
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#7
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
He missed the playoffs with the 91-92 team. He should be dead last for that.
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Greg Gilbert cost this team the #1C for Iggy that he never really had that probably leads to at least 1 SC. He should definitely be dead last. Worst coach ever!
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07-26-2020, 08:15 PM
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#8
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Page wasn't the worst coach in the dark years, so he gets my vote.
Now, to rank the last few in descending order:
Glen Gulutzan: vanilla milquetoast at best. Wasted 2 years of the core at worst. Time will tell, but he did not inspire much. However, he wasn't entirely terrible either.
Don Hay: Had some credentials, but didn't translate to NHL success. Forgettable, but not detrimental.
Greg Gilbert: overzealous controlling dickhead. His conflict with star players sewered a team before it had a chance to take form. However, he wasn't entirely wrong about the problem, but his approach was foolhardy. Pretty bad coach overall.
Doug Risebrough: Some success, but then a complete dismantling of a championship calibre team, much of that as the GM of the team. ####, I hate Risebrough the executive. ####ed up a possible dynasty.
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07-26-2020, 08:25 PM
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#9
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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I’m disappointed no one has noticed I’ve voted Gilbert the past few rounds
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07-26-2020, 08:34 PM
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#10
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by FireGilbert
I’m disappointed no one has noticed I’ve voted Gilbert the past few rounds
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Is it a protest vote or do you really think he's better than the rest of the list? If so, I'd love to hear your arguments.
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07-26-2020, 09:51 PM
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#11
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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100% taking the piss. Thought it would be funny if someone noticed.
That said I’d maybe consider Gilbert ahead of only Hay. Both horrible coaches but at least Gilbert gave us a couple months of exciting hockey.
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07-26-2020, 10:09 PM
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#12
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Greg Gilbert cost this team the #1C for Iggy that he never really had that probably leads to at least 1 SC. He should definitely be dead last. Worst coach ever!
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Savard was out of shape and the GM who traded him for peanuts also fired the coach he didn't see eye to eye with 10 days later.
Gilbert was a lousy coach, but I don't know if that version of Savard would have been any better under Daryl Sutter. He needed a wakeup call.
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07-27-2020, 08:47 AM
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#13
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Greg Gilbert cost this team the #1C for Iggy that he never really had that probably leads to at least 1 SC. He should definitely be dead last. Worst coach ever!
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Didn't Craig Button and Marc Savard have more to do with costing the team the future of Marc Savard than a coach that was miffed at a player refusing to be in shape for camp, or accepting a 2nd line role when Conroy found chemistry with Iginla?
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07-27-2020, 08:49 AM
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Franchise Player
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Yeah the head scratcher was Button dumped the player then dumped the coach.
If he had any thought that Gilbert wasn't going to last, while not keep the player and see if things could be mended.
Unless you didn't want to be seen as someone who bends to the players' will.
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07-27-2020, 09:00 AM
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#15
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Yeah the head scratcher was Button dumped the player then dumped the coach.
If he had any thought that Gilbert wasn't going to last, while not keep the player and see if things could be mended.
Unless you didn't want to be seen as someone who bends to the players' will.
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Regardless of what you feel about Savard's conditioning the fact is that the of that era Flames were in no position to be trading 65 point forwards for a bag of pucks. If Gilbert was on the hot seat then you have to let him go first and see if the player can be salvaged. It was simply terrible asset management caused by the perfect storm of an NHL head coach in over his head and an NHL GM also in over his head.
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07-27-2020, 10:34 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Didn't Craig Button and Marc Savard have more to do with costing the team the future of Marc Savard than a coach that was miffed at a player refusing to be in shape for camp, or accepting a 2nd line role when Conroy found chemistry with Iginla?
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It does not take a lot of coaching skill to miff at a player who came out of shape, does it? A school athletic teacher could do it. Wasn't Gilbert paid because of presumed ability to solve those type of situations rather than merely make some ill-advised comments about it? It's almost as if he sorta had a gut feeling that it's his job to do something about Savard, but he had no clue how to go about it. I by no means advocate Savard, but doesn't Gilbert's inability to do something about sulky player or player that is out of shape make him a bad coach? Aren't coaches paid to deal, or rather, prevent, those types of situations? Like, you know, motivate players, manage their expectations, their ice time, unify locker room. Sorta like Darryl Sutter, the actual hockey coach did.
Last edited by Pointman; 07-27-2020 at 10:42 PM.
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