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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade 109 16.80%
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better 197 30.35%
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project 187 28.81%
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back 107 16.49%
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton 49 7.55%
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:16 PM   #3641
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So Kassian has replaced RNHs lack of production who is slumping, and Neal is scoring at the pace of two overachieving wingers from last year?
Not sure that's a compelling argument to make in favor of the Neal/Lucic swap.
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:21 PM   #3642
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Both players are bad. But I'd rather have a bad player that scores goals than a one that doesn't.

I recall Neal’s horrible season and attitude last year, right down to his last shift as a Calgary Flame.

Good riddance.
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:25 PM   #3643
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Oh I agree, he was Lucic bad last year for the Flames.



But it's hard to see how he wouldn't be scoring those goals for the Flames this year. He's just standing infront of the net and shooting the puck on the PP, literally doing nothing else.
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:28 PM   #3644
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Oh I agree, he was Lucic bad last year for the Flames.



But it's hard to see how he wouldn't be scoring those goals for the Flames this year. He's just standing infront of the net and shooting the puck on the PP, literally doing nothing else.

But PP1 is full here. He would not get the ice time, sulk, and be what he was last year
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:29 PM   #3645
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Oh I agree, he was Lucic bad last year for the Flames.



But it's hard to see how he wouldn't be scoring those goals for the Flames this year. He's just standing infront of the net and shooting the puck on the PP, literally doing nothing else.
What are you suggesting - take Tkachuk off the PP and have Neal there instead?
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:33 PM   #3646
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Can't quote for some reason but it's not like the PP has been on fire. And having more players who can shoot the puck on the PP is never bad. At least it would make the other unit deeper / give more options.
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Old 11-10-2019, 05:25 PM   #3647
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They tried Neal on the pp last year. It didn’t work so why do you think it would work better now?
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Both players are bad. But I'd rather have a bad player that scores goals than a one that doesn't.
He wouldn't be scoring goals here. The only reason he would even be dressed would be to justify his contract. So you would have a bad player who causes more GA than GF, instead of a bad player who hits and isn't a complete liability on the ice.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:43 PM   #3649
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Oh I agree, he was Lucic bad last year for the Flames.



But it's hard to see how he wouldn't be scoring those goals for the Flames this year. He's just standing infront of the net and shooting the puck on the PP, literally doing nothing else.

His nose was out of joint, doubt he would have brought it this year unless he got his own way. oilers on the other hand tend to give opportunities rather than have players earn it; So that situation was a good fit for Neal. All Neal had to do last season was "earn it", but he chose to hold the team hostage with his poor attitude and poor inexcusable play.

Flames made the right choice to cut him loose rather than reward bad behavior and baggage which he carried with him all season! He was paid well as a professional to perform, but still came to work unprepared (That is on Neal). He didn't want set an example, he wanted opportunities handed to him.

To play on the top lines you have to be able to shut down the other teams top lines; If Neal refused to put in the 2 way work just wanting to stand in front of the net and scoring goals, you can see why he would be considered a liability. If Neal had earned it, I have no doubt he would have been put on those top 2 lines.

Considering the Oilers are poorly structured, they are not going to make Neal earn anything. Scoring goals is great but does not translate into strong positional 2 way play.
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:13 PM   #3650
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His nose was out of joint, doubt he would have brought it this year unless he got his own way. oilers on the other hand tend to give opportunities rather than have players earn it; So that situation was a good fit for Neal. All Neal had to do last season was "earn it", but he chose to hold the team hostage with his poor attitude and poor inexcusable play.

Maybe so. But still it's hard to see how he wouldn't score those goals switching to a Flames jersey. Standing infront of the net and shooting / tipping pucks. Does nothing else of value of course.



The real culprit here is Treliving. Signing a UFA to a major deal only having to trade him for one of the worst contracts in the league a year later is inexcusable. Or should be. But it seems that the whole debacle has centered around Lucic vs. Neal instead.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:41 PM   #3651
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Lucic again aside from price tag has been fine. And really Neal is still a big minus player who plays on a power play with 2 studs. He is a liability at 5 on 5. Lucic although not much better at 5 on 5 than Neal. Is still much better than Neal
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:11 PM   #3652
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Maybe so. But still it's hard to see how he wouldn't score those goals switching to a Flames jersey. Standing infront of the net and shooting / tipping pucks. Does nothing else of value of course.



The real culprit here is Treliving. Signing a UFA to a major deal only having to trade him for one of the worst contracts in the league a year later is inexcusable. Or should be. But it seems that the whole debacle has centered around Lucic vs. Neal instead.

Pretty much what you said, "he is not doing much else!"

No question the Flames missed on Neal; It is a significant setback and Treliving, or scouting has to take some responsibility.

If the Flames are committed to building a team that can win the division, ultimately go all the way. We need players who are committed and can play both ends of the ice. We can safely say now that Neal does not fit the bill. I think the Flames are still short a top six that can push guys down into some proper spots. Progressively learning as management and as a team is always part of the equation, but not the end of the world!

Treliving, and scouts have to take a harder look to maximize that top 6 spot.
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:16 PM   #3653
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Isn’t Treliving taking accountability?

He is running the team within the constraints he created.

Saved the owners money after his boo-boo. Then he has to deal with the roster implications.

I can’t see how he has avoided accountability
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:16 PM   #3654
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Both players are bad. But I'd rather have a bad player that scores goals than a one that doesn't.

So you are saying Neal will score at the same pace if he is still with the Flames?
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Old 11-11-2019, 12:42 AM   #3655
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I might be all alone here, I don't know, but I'm pretty much over this whole thing.

Neal have scored a few goals due to opportunities that he never would have had here, he is still exactly the same player as last year in every other aspect. Lucic has come pretty much as advertised, and he's had a handful of games where he's been really good and made a noticable difference on the ice which is all I was really hoping for.

Milan Lucic has been quite a bit better for the Flames than James Neal was last year, and his skillset and his strenghts as a player will allow him be about as effective as he is now for a few years still. I don't mind Lucic on the team. The contract is what it is. I'm over it.

The mistake was not trading James Neal for Milan Lucic, the mistake was signing James Neal to a huge contract.
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:15 AM   #3656
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It depends what you mean by "over this whole thing". I'm over the discussion in a sense that there's not much else to say about it that hasn't been said.

But as a fan hoping for a Stanley Cup it'll be hard to ever be over it as this Neal signing has potential to be the move that caps our ceiling as a "not quite good enough to contend for a Cup" team with this core, triggering a rebuild in 2-3 years with no significant success.

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Old 11-11-2019, 05:18 AM   #3657
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And by "triggers a rebuild" I of course mean "ownership refuses to accept selling core players in their prime for proper rebuild, so we add **** for three more years to try to sneak into the playoffs then lose our stars to free agency or sell for pennies on the dollar".
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:22 PM   #3658
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We can kiss that 3rd rounder away. I can't see Neal playing another game this season with all these trades the Oilers are making.

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Old 02-24-2020, 12:23 PM   #3659
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Die, thread. Die.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:24 PM   #3660
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It's a shame. That 3rd rounder could have paid for Gustafson it seems. Would have been awesome.
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