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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade 83 13.50%
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better 193 31.38%
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project 184 29.92%
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back 106 17.24%
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton 49 7.97%
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:38 PM   #601
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Default Flames trade Neal for Lucic. Oilers retain 10% on Lucic (and maybe conditional pick)

Something in Lucicís contract - after next season (2020/2021) it becomes a Modified NTC+NMC.

Now that makes very little sense because a traditional NMC covers all trade scenarios.

Iím guessing Lucicís NMC covers demotion, and his trade protection is just that 8 team list heíll accept a deal to.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:38 PM   #602
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Not sure what you are seeing but the NMC was originally for the life of the contract on capfriendly

It turns from a full NMC to a modified NTC AND NMC in the last 2 years.
What would be the point of this? A NMC clearly supercedes a modified NTC, so why bother?
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:38 PM   #603
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Lol i went 6 months a couple years ago. Lost 40lbs and felt great. Went on a 30 day road trip and was back to being a goon again.
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I really thought Neal would bounce back a little, maybe 15 goals. Lucic just lands with a thud.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:39 PM   #605
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5.75 plus 10% retention on Neal
The retention is on Lucic.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:39 PM   #606
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So just to clarify - When Bob McKenzie made the one for one joke tweet, he didn't additionally say there is no pick on air or anything, that was just sureloss misinterpreting his tweet?
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:39 PM   #607
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Lucic can't skate. No matter how bad Neal was, a battle-scarred 30+ winger with bad skating isn't the answer in today's NHL.

If you need me, I'll be crying in the corner.
Neal is also a 30+ winger with bad skating.
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If we can get Bennett and Lucic to do this to McDavid next year, then I'm ok with this deal


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I really thought Neal would bounce back a little, maybe 15 goals. Lucic just lands with a thud.
Even the same crappy play with a return to normal shooting percentage would get him there.

He really must have been bad in the room
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The retention is on Lucic.
Yes , 600k of Lucic 6.00 * 10% = 600k

5,75 Neal + 600k Lucic = 6.35

Where are you confused?
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What would be the point of this? A NMC clearly supercedes a modified NTC, so why bother?
I think it’d be to cover getting sent to the minors or exposed in an expansion draft but the NMC likely has a provision that excludes trades and that’s why there’s a limited NTC was included.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:41 PM   #612
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The retention is on Lucic.
You are not getting it.. the Oilers will retain 600k on this 1-1 deal... which is effectively saying that to trade Lucic, the Oilers are picking up about $6.4 million dollars --> all they are getting is Neal back hence the connection that his salary can be viewed as higher than 5.75.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:41 PM   #613
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Lucic is very excited and eager about joining the Flames Kyper just said. He has a lot to prove and is looking forward to the Flames Kyper said as well. Not sure what the general feeling is but I'm excited for Lucic coming to Calgary, we NEED him to protect Johnny, Monahan etc

Was very disappointed with Neal last year

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What would be the point of this? A NMC clearly supercedes a modified NTC, so why bother?
A full NTC means full trade protection, but can be assigned to the minors, and exposed in an expansion draft.


A full NMC means full trade protection, cannot be assigned to the minors, and not exposed in an expansion draft.


A modified NTC with a NMC means there is a list of teams that can be or not be traded to plus the ability to not be assigned to the minors and not exposed in an expansion draft.
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My biggest issue is the Flames should not be doing things the help the greasers out of a problem. Lucic is a boat anchor to that team and I want them to have to swim in it.

Throwing them a potential life preserver is not something a provincial rival should be doing at any point.
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Not that I don't believe you it's just that capfriendly seems to state otherwise.
Capfriendly shows NMC throughout with an additional modified NTC in the final two.

This would mean that essentially there is an addendum to the NMC, in that the player can be traded, but cannot be waived, placed in the minors, or unprotected in expansion.
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I think we can all assume that Lucic will not have to be protected in the expansion draft.

We have to at this stage, or I'll need to get the gun.
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The retention is on Lucic.

Lucic's retention + Neal's salary
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For those looking for some positives...
Lucic is younger
Lucic hits
The flames technically end up freeing up some salary
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