The parents of the Michigan high school shooting suspect are being charged

[BoLevi]

Should parents be responsible for other forms of homicide?

- Suicide where they missed the signs?
- Vehicular homicide where they purchased a vehicle for a child that subsequently killed people through DUI, incompetence, etc?

[jammies]

Should BoLevi constantly troll by purposely extrapolating ridiculous hypotheticals from nuanced, contextually complex situations?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jammies

Should BoLevi constantly troll by purposely extrapolating ridiculous hypotheticals from nuanced, contextually complex situations?

You just try and stop him!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Should parents be responsible for other forms of homicide?

- Suicide where they missed the signs?
- Vehicular homicide where they purchased a vehicle for a child that subsequently killed people through DUI, incompetence, etc?

Can you present your full opinion first as opposed to just asking questions.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

This is from today. Yes, this is real. Congressman from Kentucky. That country has a sickness and it's not going to get better any time soon. It's probably going to get a lot worse.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1467197523127422979

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Should parents be responsible for other forms of homicide?

- Suicide where they missed the signs?
- Vehicular homicide where they purchased a vehicle for a child that subsequently killed people through DUI, incompetence, etc?

Yes and they are already if they are grossly negligent, if you know your son is drunk and you give them the keys or if you know your kid is cutting but you dont bother to call an ambulance

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I'm able to comprehend just fine, you just made a silly comparison.

The law and school code of conduct are different.

It's why Rittenhouse wouldn't have been able to carry that gun onto school property.

You don’t comprehend, because the comment wasn’t about the law and the code of conduct, it’s about the culture that informs both of those things. Don’t you owe someone $5000? Maybe pay up before taking another stab at taking about something you haven’t a clue about.

[afc wimbledon]

What the parents did wrong, where they were grossly negligent is by not informing the school the kid had a gun and taking the gun away from the kid at the school then driving home and cleaning out every other gun and putting them in a secure place, they knew he was thinking about going on a spree as the mum texted him to stop when they announced an active shooter without a name at his school, she knew it was her kid shooting up the school without being told the name of the shooter.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This is from today. Yes, this is real. Congressman from Kentucky. That country has a sickness and it's not going to get better any time soon. It's probably going to get a lot worse.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1467197523127422979

The US is broken beyond repair at this point

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This is from today. Yes, this is real. Congressman from Kentucky. That country has a sickness and it's not going to get better any time soon. It's probably going to get a lot worse.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1467197523127422979

That’s insane.

Vaccines are dangerous, but automatic weapons in the hands of kids? Totally fine.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you present your full opinion first as opposed to just asking questions.

I'm taking my time assessing the relative merits of the various thoughts and opinions surrounding this "complex and nuanced" issue.

I'm satisfied with contemplating for a period of time rather than working myself into a tizzy. People here enjoy being apoplectic about this or that and so end up anchored to a position. A lack of objectivity and a whole bunch of goal seeking on the facts follows. The Kyle Rittenhouse thread is a good example of that, where people went to bizarre lengths to rationalize their incorrect pre conceived notions.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This is from today. Yes, this is real. Congressman from Kentucky. That country has a sickness and it's not going to get better any time soon. It's probably going to get a lot worse.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1467197523127422979

This is cult behaviour.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You don’t comprehend, because the comment wasn’t about the law and the code of conduct, it’s about the culture that informs both of those things. Don’t you owe someone $5000? Maybe pay up before taking another stab at taking about something you haven’t a clue about.

I comprehend just fine and no I won the bet maybe you didn't comprehend that. Also don't know why you make things personal? By now I thought after your other accounts chill cosby and strombad were banned you'd have learned by now. This is the post you replied to.

Originally Posted by Azure

Sorry, it looks like they caught him searching for ammo on his phone. I think that should be suspendable, pending further review.



https://www.npr.org/2021/12/03/10611...oxford-charged

Like I said I comprehend just fine, its you who said that if Rittenhouse could legally have a gun do you think a search could warrant any punishment. So yes looks like your comparison was silly.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

This is cult behaviour.

Yes, you can be pretty sure they also belong to a church.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I'm taking my time assessing the relative merits of the various thoughts and opinions surrounding this "complex and nuanced" issue.

Or, just possibly, you already have an opinion and you are trying to guide people into it by twisting the Socratic method. If your conclusion isn't some version of "this a slippery slope that endangers liberty", I will entirely flabbergasted.

If you were really unbiased and looking for other people's thoughts, you wouldn't have picked the specific examples you did to "question". Try not being constantly ingenuous, it's tiring and, worse, boring.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I'm taking my time assessing the relative merits of the various thoughts and opinions surrounding this "complex and nuanced" issue.

I'm satisfied with contemplating for a period of time rather than working myself into a tizzy. People here enjoy being apoplectic about this or that and so end up anchored to a position. A lack of objectivity and a whole bunch of goal seeking on the facts follows. The Kyle Rittenhouse thread is a good example of that, where people went to bizarre lengths to rationalize their incorrect pre conceived notions.

That isn’t what you posted. You were asking people if parents should be held responsible for a variety of things. You were asking people to speculate of facts not known.

So what is your position on parental responsibility for the actions you asked about in your post.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by jammies

Or, just possibly, you already have an opinion and you are trying to guide people into it by twisting the Socratic method. If your conclusion isn't some version of "this a slippery slope that endangers liberty", I will entirely flabbergasted.

If you were really unbiased and looking for other people's thoughts, you wouldn't have picked the specific examples you did to "question". Try not being constantly ingenuous, it's tiring and, worse, boring.

You're disagreeing with comments I have not even made

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

That isn’t what you posted. You were asking people if parents should be held responsible for a variety of things. You were asking people to speculate of facts not known.

So what is your position on parental responsibility for the actions you asked about in your post.

I haven't decided yet.

Or more accurately maybe we should revisit the assumptions we made in the past on these issues.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I haven't decided yet.

Or more accurately maybe we should revisit the assumptions we made in the past on these issues.

Or you are waiting for others to post their opinions so you can criticize them rather than stake out your own claims.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Should parents be responsible for other forms of homicide?

- Suicide where they missed the signs?
- Vehicular homicide where they purchased a vehicle for a child that subsequently killed people through DUI, incompetence, etc?

Such a strange take.

I think even in this case, where the parents appear to have actually been very negligent, the prosecution will still have to present a rock solid case to establish that their negligence directly lead or contributed to the kid going to school with a gun and shooting people.

We already know there are mental issues at play, and defense will obviously argue it that way too.

I'm no lawyer, but one could conclude that in order to establish a legal case for these charges, the burden of guilt will need to be definite.

Which is why I'm fine with it, and it is about time we focus on holding parents responsible for the actions of their child as they have by far the greatest impact.