Brad Treliving needs to go

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its more complicated than

Win=GM good
Lose=GM bad

After 7+ years it does in fact come down to this.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So if Treliving hasn’t been able to figure it out, why would someone else be able to? I know it may be difficult for some to acknowledge this, but Treliving’s not dumb.

He knows more than probably anyone about what’s going on with this team. Someone else comes in, you’re starting over. I can’t imagine a scenario where Treliving doesn’t know exactly what he can get for JG, or SM, or anyone else, really.

Starting over sounds OK if my alternative is more of the same. Of course what actually happens can’t be characterized so simply. And no one claiming he is dumb.

Now about 73% of decided voters say he should be gone.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by zamler

After 7+ years it does in fact come down to this.

oh it probably will but there is more to it

Could you see Brad being successful elsewhere? I could. In another market with the exact same roster to start he would have had better players right now. Kadri/Stone.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

oh it probably will but there is more to it

Could you see Brad being successful elsewhere? I could. In another market with the exact same roster to start he would have had better players right now. Kadri/Stone.

Hell, he could have Crosby or Ovechkin

We really are an apologist aren’t we

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Hell, he could have Crosby or Ovechkin

We really are an apologist aren’t we

Seriously WTF is wrong with you?

Likely Stone and 100% Kadri would be here if Calgary was a more desirable market. Tre had the deal done and Kadri wouldn't come to Calgary.

you disagree? honestly do you?

[nik-]

I honestly couldn't care less if Brad would be successful elsewhere. He's not with the team I care about, end of story. Get him out.

I mean what's the gist of that stance? Someone else might not be successful because of locale so why bother change someone that's definitely not working? How odd.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by nik-

I honestly couldn't care less if Brad would be successful elsewhere. He's not with the team I care about, end of story. Get him out.

I mean what's the gist of that stance? Someone else might not be successful because of locale so why bother change someone that's definitely not working? How odd.

I never said don't change it...but I think its more complicated. The next guy will have the same issues getting players here.

In this market you basically have to be perfect to have a shot at being decent. The "great gms" are usually in markets that players like to go to.

Canadian GMs don't last

[nik-]

7 years is a pretty long time for a GM to last with basically no progress. Canadian or not.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Seriously WTF is wrong with you?

Likely Stone and 100% Kadri would be here if Calgary was a more desirable market

you disagree? honestly do you?

I see no use in discussing the GMs potential by imagining different realities.

I am fully aware that Burke got a cup when Niedermayer wanted to play with his brother and Pronger *ahem* played his way out of Edmonton

But Brad’s job is in Calgary, not make believe land

Flames need a GM to succeed here, not in our imaginations

[dino7c]

He will pay the price most likely and I am not fighting for him to stay

next guy will have the exact same issues. Its hard to build a winner when you are on every no trade list and have to pay more for every single UFA.

1993

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He will pay the price most likely and I am not fighting for him to stay

next guy will have the exact same issues. Its hard to build a winner when you are on every no trade list and have to pay more for every single UFA.

1993

Those are hurdles, for sure.

That’s why the GM needs to rely on drafting and asset management, and can’t make the Hamonic trade

It’s part of the challenge

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He will pay the price most likely and I am not fighting for him to stay

next guy will have the exact same issues. Its hard to build a winner when you are on every no trade list and have to pay more for every single UFA.

1993

How about a team that isn't a tire fire? The team is imploding right now, won't make the playoffs and looks horrendous in doing so. Building a winner is a million miles away right now. And guess what...that's the GM's responsibility.

[dino7c]

Anything other than

"Brad is terrible and should never work in the NHL again"

is going to be heavily criticized I get it

Brad is the new Ward...we want blood

Just saying the next guy will have a really hard time too. Its easy to say draft and develop. You are competing with teams making good signings and trades while also doing those things.

I voted to fire him I just think some people think its simple...he is a good GM IMO, couple mistakes but mostly players let him down in a tough market were you cant afford to have all your offensive leaders games fall off by 50%.

We all rip him now, looked like at least a playoff team on paper. Most magazines had the Flames top 4 easy. Nearly every player too a step back, pretty hard to predict that.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Anything other than

"Brad is terrible and should never work in the NHL again"

is going to be heavily criticized I get it

Brad is the new Ward...we want blood

Just saying the next guy will have a really hard time too. Its easy to say draft and develop. You are competing with teams making good signings and trades while also doing those things.

Dramatic much?

We are evaluating a 7 year body of work

Some good drafting, and some bad trades that lost draft picks for mediocre on ice players and results. Other teams making good signings and trades while Brad has made a mixed bag

I’ve personally seen enough. He had a clean slate, an overachieving team that made the playoffs and had good culture, and tons of cap space.

Now? A laughingstock

It’s not about blood, it’s about what this guy has shown. And where the buck stops.

This is pretty much rock bottom. And it’s his mess.

And yeah, it looked good on paper, but it is now a culmination of all of the weaknesses, not of all of the strengths.

He has to be accountable for figuring that out (or failing to)

[Jiri Hrdina]

A good culture?
Based on what?
I’m not saying the culture was good or bad but that’s a pretty squishy thing to argue he had as an advantage

Gms need assets
That’s the life blood
And this organization has been asset poor for decades

[dino7c]

Brad had a team that was 2nd overall in the entire NHL and then the players forgot how to play hockey during an week off.

He will pay the price most likely but you gotta feel for the guy


Players let him down big time

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A good culture?
Based on what?
I’m not saying the culture was good or bad but that’s a pretty squishy thing to argue he had as an advantage

Gms need assets
That’s the life blood
And this organization has been asset poor for decades

Are you joking?

That team under Hartley had an identity, and busted their asses

Over the years since Brad took the helm, even Burke said that Gully let the inmates run thd asylum, and accountability seemingly sent away

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brad had a team that was 2nd overall in the entire NHL and then the players forgot how to play hockey during an week off.

He will pay the price most likely but you gotta feel for the guy


Players let him down big time

Yeah, I guess they just didn’t feel like winning anymore

Ingenious

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Are you joking?

That team under Hartley had an identity, and busted their asses

Over the years since Brad took the helm, even Burke said that Gully let the inmates run thd asylum, and accountability seemingly sent away

For one season.
And then it run out of steam and the players didn't want Hartley anymore.

Cultures sustain.

The reality is that we don't know what the culture was so to put it out there as something BT benefited from inheriting is just a vague and assumptive argument based on very little.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would also add that inheriting an over-achieving isn't some great thing. What you need is talent that is going to be good consistently. And as it turns out this club was sorely lacking in elite talent.

We can agree the biggest miscalculation this entire organization, including many of the fans, made was over-evaluating how good the talent was.