That's a fun wrinkle to explore. Vader and Barriss Offee.
Anakin as he was would have given an eff and probably would have struck Offee down, Vader on the other hand, cannot recognize the ant under his boot.
Dunno why they'd give Offee an Inquisitor role, Anakin played with her like she was food in their duel when he arrested her. Not someone I'd want to go.hunt down the likes of Yoda and ObiWan
The Emperor and Vader didn't want the Inquisitors to be powerful, the Sith don't invite potential threats into their house.
They wanted them to be maybe strong enough to take on what was left of the Jedi Order, and its likely once they were killed off the Inquisitors would be killed off.
This of the Inquisitors as not as powerful as Jedi Knights and poorly trained. The Grand Inquisitor was the exception.
But none of them were anywhere near the level of Vader and Palpatine.
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The Emperor and Vader didn't want the Inquisitors to be powerful, the Sith don't invite potential threats into their house.
They wanted them to be maybe strong enough to take on what was left of the Jedi Order, and its likely once they were killed off the Inquisitors would be killed off.
This of the Inquisitors as not as powerful as Jedi Knights and poorly trained. The Grand Inquisitor was the exception.
But none of them were anywhere near the level of Vader and Palpatine.
Right, and the other thing as well was that the power of the Jedi was clearly waning.
Outside of Obi-Wan and Yoda, most of the real Jedi threats were either only half-trained or just not that powerful to be a threat, so an Inquisitor vs. 'Jedi Cousin Eddy' was either a fair fight or the Inquisitor had the advantage.
Anyhow, Evil Space Wizards vs. Good Space Wizards isnt super intriguing to me.
The rest of the Galaxy, from all sides of the conflict, should just have sat down in a room on a temporary cease fire and just discussed this rationally.
"Look, guys, we have to acknowledge the 'Space Wizard Dilemma.' Regardless of which side of the line you're on I think we just have to accept that these clowns have caused just an astronomical amount of Galactic damage relative to the number of them that exists.
I think we should agree to murder all of the Space Wizards. Light and Dark and whichever in between those bastards, and then we can resume our Inter-Galactic conflict on the basis of an essential and fundamental and moral difference of opinion on Galactic management on a 'Policy-Only' Basis?
Can we agree on that? We murder all the Space Wizards? We'll start with those meddling Skywalkers? Cool. Then we can get back to the business of killing each other over what amounts to essentially very minor philosophical differences.
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Right, and the other thing as well was that the power of the Jedi was clearly waning.
Outside of Obi-Wan and Yoda, most of the real Jedi threats were either only half-trained or just not that powerful to be a threat, so an Inquisitor vs. 'Jedi Cousin Eddy' was either a fair fight or the Inquisitor had the advantage.
Anyhow, Evil Space Wizards vs. Good Space Wizards inst super intriguing to me.
The rest of the Galaxy, from all sides of the conflict, should just have sat down in a room on a temporary cease fire and just discussed this rationally.
"Look, guys, we have to acknowledge the 'Space Wizard Dilemma.' Regardless of which side of the line you're on I think we just have to accept that these clowns have caused just an astronomical amount of Galactic damage relative to the number of them that exists.
I think we should agree to murder all of the Space Wizards. Light and Dark and whichever in between those bastards, and then we can resume our Inter-Galactic conflict on the basis of an essential and fundamental and moral difference of opinion on Galactic management on a 'Policy-Only' Basis?
Can we agree on that? We murder all the Space Wizards? We'll start with those meddling Skywalkers? Cool. Then we can get back to the business of killing each other over what amounts to essentially very minor philosophical differences.
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Palpatine's Jedi trap was brilliant. I mean he put a label on the most powerful Jedi. Masters were made into Generals and surrender by who armies of Clone Troopers. Jedi Knights were commanders, and had their own divisions of clone troopers to command. As powerful as a Master was, he or she couldn't defeat a whole army. Knights couldn't defeat what was pretty much a thousand troopers.
As well, people ask, well why didn't the Jedi sense that the Troopers were going to turn on them. The Clones, never hated the Jedi, they were never angry at the Jedi, when the inhibitor chips basically flipped on they were simply following orders, the Jedi couldn't really feel that threat.
The bottom line throughout the long Lore history of the GFFA, the major wars where billions of people died. they were usually caused by the Jedi and the Sith or the dark side and the light side fighting for power or control over the force. These wars were literally the result of the Force fighting for balance.
So it was easy for the Jedi to be blamed by Palpatine, because the Jedi literally caused these wars.
When the first Jedi Schism was fought before the Sith were founded, it was literally the Jedi not liking what some other Jedi were learning so they decided to cleanse their order and billions of non force sensitives died.
Same during the second schism, it was a crusade by the Jedi.
When the Sith were founded it was a bunch of Jedi who were exiled for not following Jedi traditions, and naturally the Sith wanted revenge. So what happened. The sith turned on each other, the Jedi won the war and then decided that in their righteousness that every member of the Sith society or empire had to be put to the Sword, and the surviving Sith wanted and got their revenge causing billions of Death.
Even in the last war of the Republic, the Jedi eagerly rushed off to save us because they thought the Sith were involved, and trillions died in a religious war. If the Jedi had followed on their ideals, they would have refused to fight, they would have said to Palpy "Bra. we can't fight your civil war for you", but instead they got all blood thirsty about the Sith.
Seriously when Anakin told Obi-Wan that he thought that all Jedi were evil, he was right. The Jedi allowed corruption and slavery and poverty to happen. The Sith promised an end to all that with Order and Justice.
The Jedi hid themselves behind good acts and right thinking while they lived in a magnificent temple and wanted for nothing.
Its easy to see why the Republic citizens were fine wit the Jedi being hunted down and defeated, they were out of touch warmongers. Its easy to see why the Republic changed to the Empire so easily, when after thousands of years of wars that the Jedi were prominent, a little Peace and Order is welcomed.
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The episode breaks into two story line, Omega is returned to Mt Tantiss and she tries to dig for more information on why she's so special to Hemlok, and its actually a civil conversation. What she's learned in a vacuum doesn't mean a lot. All she knows is that her blood and the children in the vaults blood when combined reducing the degradation of M-Counts in clones. The question remains of whom they're trying to clone, though I don't think they're trying to make super troopers, this is a Palpatine project alone.
But it raises the question of how force sensitive Omega is, and it might be too late in the series to explore that, and why aren't all Clones high M-Count donors? At the end Omega gets locked in the vault with the other Children, so that leads to the possible question in the end of who Omega is willing to sacrifice to save Children, and does this lead to a lot of Clone Deaths including the Bad Batch? We know that Filoni likes his big endings, just look at the Clone Wars.
The Batch meanwhile are desperate to find the coordinates to the facility, and they manage to find former Admiral Rampart and they want to break him out of the prison and shake the information out of them.
This leads to a very good action sequence where we finally get to see Juggernauts in action, and they're awesome. They rescue Rampart and he says he doesn't have the coordinates but can get them.
Overall this was a slow burn, I expect next week is about getting the coordinates and doing an avenger team assemble moment, and the last episode feels like its bringing things to a tragic end.
Which clones survive, do we see the end of Cody and other familiar Clones? We know the fate of Rex, Wolfe and Gregor. And Rex in Rebels initially wants nothing to do with fighting the Empire, are we going to see the source of that trauma.
Is Trooper X Tech? It would be a gut punch and very Filoni.
Do we get Vader in the last episode, they seem to be hinting at it in teasers. And if we get Vader do we get Ventress?
Is there the choice of saving the clones or saving the children? It seems likely.
Overall it was a solid build up episode.
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We got the third to last episode of the Bad Batch last night, and it was really a slow build bridge episode the finale.
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The episode breaks into two story line, Omega is returned to Mt Tantiss and she tries to dig for more information on why she's so special to Hemlok, and its actually a civil conversation. What she's learned in a vacuum doesn't mean a lot. All she knows is that her blood and the children in the vaults blood when combined reducing the degradation of M-Counts in clones. The question remains of whom they're trying to clone, though I don't think they're trying to make super troopers, this is a Palpatine project alone.
But it raises the question of how force sensitive Omega is, and it might be too late in the series to explore that, and why aren't all Clones high M-Count donors? At the end Omega gets locked in the vault with the other Children, so that leads to the possible question in the end of who Omega is willing to sacrifice to save Children, and does this lead to a lot of Clone Deaths including the Bad Batch? We know that Filoni likes his big endings, just look at the Clone Wars.
The Batch meanwhile are desperate to find the coordinates to the facility, and they manage to find former Admiral Rampart and they want to break him out of the prison and shake the information out of them.
This leads to a very good action sequence where we finally get to see Juggernauts in action, and they're awesome. They rescue Rampart and he says he doesn't have the coordinates but can get them.
Overall this was a slow burn, I expect next week is about getting the coordinates and doing an avenger team assemble moment, and the last episode feels like its bringing things to a tragic end.
Which clones survive, do we see the end of Cody and other familiar Clones? We know the fate of Rex, Wolfe and Gregor. And Rex in Rebels initially wants nothing to do with fighting the Empire, are we going to see the source of that trauma.
Is Trooper X Tech? It would be a gut punch and very Filoni.
Do we get Vader in the last episode, they seem to be hinting at it in teasers. And if we get Vader do we get Ventress?
Is there the choice of saving the clones or saving the children? It seems likely.
Overall it was a solid build up episode.
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I'm pretty certain Trooper X is (was?) Tech. And yeah I think within the larger lore what we're seeing in the early days of Palps 'live forever plan' which ties in with his eventual return and the vat of snokes we see in TROS and likely in that Mando episode.
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As soon as Trooper X reported in that he had broken the encryption of the coordinates leading him to the batch, I figured it was likely he was tech.
When he asked Scorch in their first meetup why he had been activated I figured he was a relatively new Trooper X. He even has some of the speech mannerisms of Tech.
I think there is going to be some serious heart ache in the last two episodes.
If its Tech is it a save him or kill him situation?
Do they rescue the Children or Troopers trapped at Tantiss?
We don't see Cody, or any of the bad batch in the future, or even Omega. I doubt they'll kill her, but all the members of the Bad Batch are on the block. I fully expect that Crosshair
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is going to be the final surviver, and the last scene is him mourning his friends as he and Omega head to the outer rim, and the last thing we see is Hunter's and Hunter's and maybe Echo's helmets laying on the battlefield.
There's a reason why Rex gives up fighting and takes Gregor and Wolfe into hiding and when they are asked to fight he is very reluctant.
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There are now 2 episodes left til the end of the Batch.
A really solid episode, but no real big revelations. But its a build up to the raid on Tantiss.
It was nice to see Echo return to help rescue the kid, This almost fully reunites the batch sans Tech. Speaking of which we didn't see Trooper X in this episode.
Its funny when you say that Echo was the best part of the episode considering that all of the Batch members are played by the same actor.
The episode is split into two with the first half focusing around Omega and even her relationship with Emerie, and also Omega planning her great escape as she steals a sharp object when Emerie is taking her blood and begins to explore an escape route through the shaft that collects the blood samples. With Emerie she justifies things to herself by talking about how the kids are well taken care of, and she's clearly different from the other scientists who are pretty cold and unfeeling. But we know that in the end, Emerie will side with the Empire and Science.
The other half focused on the batch formulating a plan to get the coordinates to Tantiss. Rampart really shines in this as a comedy foil, sniffing haughtily when he's forced to dress as an Imperial Captain. He points out that he was a Vice Admiral.
Originally the plans were to download the coordiates from a space station in orbit over coruscant, but Echo finds out that the coordinates are on a science shuttle. So we get a nice tension filled last 5 minutes of the episode as the Batch have to rush back to their ship after Echo sneaks onto the Science Ship, and race to attach themselves to the ship before it makes a jump to lightspeed.
So in the end we get a nice cliffhanger as the batch are on their way to Tantiss and Omega is working on her escape plan.
In terms of production, this episode had a lot of money shots. the view of Coruscant was gorgeous. The facial animation has really approved and the aging on Omega from the start to now is really well done.
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Bad Batch really seems like it is going to have a satisfying ending, or atleast an entertaining one.
Last weeks episode did a have a pretty good surprise.
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Zillo beast!
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A bit smaller, but almost fully grown, Palpatine is mad about cloning everything.
We're heading into the season final, on their own The Batch can't possibly rescue the children and Clones, but if Omega can unleash the Zillo beast its certainly a equalizer.
I think there are a few key questions here.
Will there be the choice, rescue the children and Omega, or rescue the imprisoned Clones?
A friend told me that Tech must be dead because we haven't seen anymore of Trooper-X. Filoni is pretty good at making you forget about things before a big reveal. I expect that Tech is Trooper-X, and his fate is linked directly to CrossHair. I also don't believe that Tech is going to be redeemed.
Rampart in custody, it would be too easy to give him the Kallus treatment and have him redeemed or turn on the Empire, He's going to go full bore save his ass mode.
So do we see more clones? Rex or Cody involved. I almost believe that we will see both. I believe that we will find out why in Rebels when we first met Rex, he was so hesitant to get involved at first. I expect that a character like Cody who was a major Clone Wars character that didn't get the rebels treatment is probably going to die, which effects Rex. I also expect that we will see the redemption arc with CrossHair and he will die.
Wrecker is already badly injured, his character seems just a natural die a violent death saving Omega type of character.
I expect that we will see the survival of Hunter and Omega, and Hunter will finally put the war behind him and dedicate himself to being a father for Omega.
Emerie is an interesting character, she's clearly disturbed by what's happening in the Empire. She's clearly thinking about helping to save the Children. With the way that things are setup, she's been the key interaction with Hemlock.
I expect that the decision to save the children or save the clones is going to be prevelant. I think its a natural explanation of why in Rebels we only see 3 clones, and in Obiwan we clearly see a trooper cast out into poverty.
I also believe that in the summary of this season that Palpatine will come out on top again.
"In the face of the Clone rebellion at the medical facility on Tantiss that was being used to treat injured clones, and the clear contagion of the Clones though no fault of their own by their Jedi Commanders, I have enacted order 77, which calls for the on the spot execution of all clones encountered, and a bounty being placed on all clones. They are far too dangerous to be left alive. "
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Well, for most of them we can just guess. If Clone Force 99 was the first batch of clones, they would have been born during the same batch which included Rex. Assuming that they have the same double rate of aging.
At the time of the Bad Batch:
Hunter: Biologically 26 years old. Chronologically 13 years old.
Tech: Biologically 26 years old. Chronologically 13 years old.
Wrecker: Biologically 26 years old. Chronologically 13 years old.
Crosshair: Biologically 26 years old. Chronologically 13 years old.
Echo: Biologically 24 years old. Chronologically 12 years old.
Omega: Biologically=Chronologically 12 years old.
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Well, that's it for Clone Force 99, the Bad Batch. In the end I felt that it ended more with a whimper then a bang, It felt like Filoni pulled back from what could be a intriguing, heart breaking ending which would be in line with the rise of the Empire, and gave us a bit too much of a happy ending.
Don't get me wrong, the execution was awesome. The battle scenes, the animation, the use of sound track and the writing in this episode was top notch and even awesome.
But
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There was no general clone rebellion, there was a jail break, and a lot of clones died. But they were pretty much anonymous deaths. And all of the members of Clone 99 survived. However I kept waiting for Cody and Rex to show up and save the Batch, and they hinted at it when Emerie fled with the Kids.
I guess they, the show runners pulled the ultimate swerve on us, Tech is dead, the CX Clone that was built up as a massive threat, with hints dropped that it was Tech, was a bit of a lark.
I did laugh hard at Rampart's death, but we saw the end of Necromancer as Hemlock and Nala Se's death and the destruction of the databanks, the Empire loses the knowledge that Omega was the key and the Empire would have to start open after the death of the Empire.
It was nice to see closure for the Zilo beast, and there was something thrilling to see it stomp through Tantiss like Godzilla.
In the end despite the loss of his hand, Crosshair does one final excellent shot shooting the cuffs attaching Omega and Hemlock. But we didn't get the really big noble moment that Crosshair deserved and was working to. We had Wrecker badly injured but in the end we didn't get a scene of Wrecker fighting off Troopers til the end, instead he gets a behind the scene rescue.
Sadly Scorch was a casualty of the Batch, I still remember his snark as he was blowing up stuff in the Clone Commander video game (one of the best Star Wars games of its era. )
After a season where they were building towards tragedy and heartbreak the ending felt safe which goes against everthing Bad Batch.
We did get a nice epilogue of a grown Omega running off to join the Rebellion as a pilot and talking to a aging Hunter, it was a nice emotional wrap up. But Bad Batch is like that 5 course dinner, that's excellent through the 4 courses but then they give you lime jello with cool whip as desert.
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Well, that's it for Clone Force 99, the Bad Batch. In the end I felt that it ended more with a whimper then a bang, It felt like Filoni pulled back from what could be a intriguing, heart breaking ending which would be in line with the rise of the Empire, and gave us a bit too much of a happy ending.
Don't get me wrong, the execution was awesome. The battle scenes, the animation, the use of sound track and the writing in this episode was top notch and even awesome.
But
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There was no general clone rebellion, there was a jail break, and a lot of clones died. But they were pretty much anonymous deaths. And all of the members of Clone 99 survived. However I kept waiting for Cody and Rex to show up and save the Batch, and they hinted at it when Emerie fled with the Kids.
I guess they, the show runners pulled the ultimate swerve on us, Tech is dead, the CX Clone that was built up as a massive threat, with hints dropped that it was Tech, was a bit of a lark.
I did laugh hard at Rampart's death, but we saw the end of Necromancer as Hemlock and Nala Se's death and the destruction of the databanks, the Empire loses the knowledge that Omega was the key and the Empire would have to start open after the death of the Empire.
It was nice to see closure for the Zilo beast, and there was something thrilling to see it stomp through Tantiss like Godzilla.
In the end despite the loss of his hand, Crosshair does one final excellent shot shooting the cuffs attaching Omega and Hemlock. But we didn't get the really big noble moment that Crosshair deserved and was working to. We had Wrecker badly injured but in the end we didn't get a scene of Wrecker fighting off Troopers til the end, instead he gets a behind the scene rescue.
Sadly Scorch was a casualty of the Batch, I still remember his snark as he was blowing up stuff in the Clone Commander video game (one of the best Star Wars games of its era. )
After a season where they were building towards tragedy and heartbreak the ending felt safe which goes against everthing Bad Batch.
We did get a nice epilogue of a grown Omega running off to join the Rebellion as a pilot and talking to a aging Hunter, it was a nice emotional wrap up. But Bad Batch is like that 5 course dinner, that's excellent through the 4 courses but then they give you lime jello with cool whip as desert.
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See Also: Ahsoka in the final season of Rebels.
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