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Old 10-16-2019, 03:02 PM   #81
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Itís also possible the ending in the asylum is much later in his life and heís recounting his origin in his head and realizing that his origin is tied to Batmanís. Hence his escape immediately after he gets the joke.
This could also be used to explain the huge age difference between the Joker and the Batman. When people recollect things they typically insert their current selves into the memory.

Then again, if Arthur Fleck is 30ish in the movie and Bruce Wayne is 10, that could work. Although a 20 plus age gap seems like a lot, and was one of my biggest gripes with the movie. Then again, assuming that Batman is his 20s when he starts, I can't really see the Joker ever being much less than 40.
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This could also be used to explain the huge age difference between the Joker and the Batman. When people recollect things they typically insert their current selves into the memory.

Then again, if Arthur Fleck is 30ish in the movie and Bruce Wayne is 10, that could work. Although a 20 plus age gap seems like a lot, and was one of my biggest gripes with the movie. Then again, assuming that Batman is his 20s when he starts, I can't really see the Joker ever being much less than 40.
The age gap bothered me as well... but now it all makes sense. Joker is looking back at his origins. Perhaps just before he escapes the asylum? but he sees himself as ďcurrent, 30 somethingĒ joker when heís ďtellingĒ the story. Explains why Bruceís dad was characterized as a jerk, because itís all told through the jokerís eyes. Also explains all the far-fetched delusions like the talk show, getting pulled from the cop car as a hero, coworker giving him a gun, etc, etc... Usually Iím more observant, but I admit I didnít catch it. The flashback of the neighbour was included as a reference to question everything else. At first I felt that didnít need to be include, because it was a little on the nose, but obviously it may not of gone far enough. This movie has more depth than what originally came across. I like it even more now. Thanks Blankall and Cecil!
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:51 PM   #83
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Another thing about the age difference is that there is supposed to be a major age difference between the Joker and the Batman. In the Joker's first appearance, he has a significant widow's peak and he's already quite wrinkled.



No one ever really knows much about the Joker, including his age. Maybe he is 20+ years older than the Batman?
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Just saw it tonight.

That was some kinda outstanding. Phoenix was incredible.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:25 AM   #85
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I need to go watch it again. My wife has the theory, that everytime he laughs uncontrollably it’s a scene being made up in his head, or maybe it’s the only parts that are true in his flashback?

Id like to see what parts did that because I wasn’t paying attention to that.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:31 AM   #86
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I was home sick yesterday, and watched the Batman movie with Heath Ledger as Joker. Much better movie. Much better character.
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I was home sick yesterday, and watched the Batman movie with Heath Ledger as Joker. Much better movie. Much better character.
We get it, you didn't like the Joker.
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I need to go watch it again. My wife has the theory, that everytime he laughs uncontrollably itís a scene being made up in his head, or maybe itís the only parts that are true in his flashback?

Id like to see what parts did that because I wasnít paying attention to that.
I've read a couple of other reviews pointing to the same thing. Apparently it's more his mood change than the laughter itself. Any scene that shows Arthur in a good mood talking to other people may be made up. It's established pretty early on in the movie that Arthur doesn't interact well with others. Yet, there are many scenes where he seems to be joking around.

I'd definitely like to rewatch for the same reason.
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