Lupul accusses the Leafs of being big stinky cheaters

[bubbsy]

Didn't Jared Cowen rip the leafs for how he was handled too?

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Didn't Jared Cowen rip the leafs for how he was handled too?

Leafs traded for Cowen with no intention of playing him (dick move, but Leafs don't have to play him). They told Cowen they were going to buy him out in the summer and he was free to talk to other teams that were interested.

That summer Cowen gets surgery from a doctor with no connection to the NHL without contacting the Leafs or the NHL. Then when the Leafs try to buy him out he claims he can't be bought out because he is injured and still recovering from the surgery.

Leafs say at the end of the season you were not injured and you did not consult us about this injury...it went to arbitration and it was decided in the Leafs favour.

So now he is on a PTO for the Avs. It will be interesting to see if he can make the team.

[Finger Cookin]

I guess NHL teams have found uncommonly generous insurance companies who are OK paying out millions of dollars on warrantless claims. Weird, every other insurance company I know of will twist themselves into pretzels to avoid payouts of any kind. Just lucky for the NHL, I guess.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I guess NHL teams have found uncommonly generous insurance companies who are OK paying out millions of dollars on warrantless claims. Weird, every other insurance company I know of will twist themselves into pretzels to avoid payouts of any kind. Just lucky for the NHL, I guess.

I agree but what's to say the Leafs aren't simply cutting a check to the insurance company to cover the costs?

[Finger Cookin]

How high does this extremely plausible and sensible conspiracy go?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I guess NHL teams have found uncommonly generous insurance companies who are OK paying out millions of dollars on warrantless claims. Weird, every other insurance company I know of will twist themselves into pretzels to avoid payouts of any kind. Just lucky for the NHL, I guess.

You're assuming that Lupul's contract is even insured - or that the Leafs are making a claim against that insurance. Neither is guaranteed.

[Finger Cookin]

I am assuming that virtually every one-way NHL contract is insured, yes. But good point about the claim.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I feel the NHLPA is very selective about what they put their priorities. They didn't put up much of a fight in the Richards case seeing he still did get paid and the Kings could spend more money with the money his contract freed up. They had no issue with the Hossa farce even though it undermines player contracts. They probably look at it as Lupul still getting paid and with his spot freed up so does another player.

The ironic part is it's situations like this which lead to higher escrow payments.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I like how the term "Robidas Island" has apparently become official.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I am assuming that virtually every one-way NHL contract is insured

Is this a good assumption? Unclear - I thought only players above a specific dollar amount (both term and AAV) were generally insured

[calgaryblood]

Lupul is always injured, he likely just actually is still injured.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Is this a good assumption? Unclear - I thought only players above a specific dollar amount (both term and AAV) were generally insured

I would suspect that most players are not insured - generally just the higher paid ones would be.

For a higher paid player, you not only have to pay the injured player on LTIR, but likely have to pay another high priced player to take their place.

For a guy making league minimum, the team just replaces that player with another player already being paid - not a big deal.

[Backlunds_socks]

For those wanting to hear more about "Robidas Island"
https://editorinleaf.com/2016/09/01/...obidas-island/

[Kipper_3434]

Seems legit. Shouldn't the league have their own team of doctors by now? Or would that place liability on them in terms of concussion protocol and long term injury lawsuits? Can they insure against lawsuits?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Seems legit. Shouldn't the league have their own team of doctors by now? Or would that place liability on them in terms of concussion protocol and long term injury lawsuits? Can they insure against lawsuits?

Why would the league even want to maintain its own set of doctors? That would just be a duplication of resources since all teams already have their own doctors. And the process for Lupul to seek independent second and third opinion has already been posted in this thread. Presumably he's following those options.

[sureLoss]

According to LeBrun Lupul hasn't gone the 2nd opinion route yet:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
One thing to keep in mind on Lupul: he has the right as per the CBA to seek a 2nd medical opinion via the NHLPA re: failed physical (con't)

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
Replying to @PierreVLeBrun
Lupul hasn't done that. or at least not yet. But that's his right.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I am assuming that virtually every one-way NHL contract is insured, yes. But good point about the claim.

Many players don't have their contracts insured, even larger contracts. Nathan Horton's contract wasn't insured and was a big reason why he was traded for Clarkson.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Leafs traded for Cowen with no intention of playing him (dick move, but Leafs don't have to play him). They told Cowen they were going to buy him out in the summer and he was free to talk to other teams that were interested.

That summer Cowen gets surgery from a doctor with no connection to the NHL without contacting the Leafs or the NHL. Then when the Leafs try to buy him out he claims he can't be bought out because he is injured and still recovering from the surgery.

Leafs say at the end of the season you were not injured and you did not consult us about this injury...it went to arbitration and it was decided in the Leafs favour.

So now he is on a PTO for the Avs. It will be interesting to see if he can make the team.

I could make the Avs this season and I can barely skate. They are going to be that bad.

[Weitz]

So until he actually goes for a second opinion he is just blowing hot air?

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So until he actually goes for a second opinion he is just blowing hot air?

Yep.