Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.co...hershey-bears/

Sonny Milano was "loaned" to the Hershey Bears. How does this work since he signed a 1-way contract with the caps? https://www.hersheybears.com/news/detail.php?id=6710

He cleared waivers

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If they had full knowledge I'd agree.

If they didn't know how much pain he was in it would be tough to say the same though.

I think they had to know.

Wasn't it Gaudreau talking after the season in 19-20 that Monahan could barely walk to the rink, and was having trouble sleeping at night?

If Gaudreau knew then it's the training staffs job to know too.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Is there zero communication between player-trainer-doctor-coach?

Seems ridiculous that it took that freaking long for repairs.

I recall a comment in the past how Monahan would hid his injuries from coaches and management. It's likely because he didn't want to miss extensive time.

Fingers shouldn't be pointed at the Flames for a situation like this. It should be pointed at all of hockey. It is a hockey culture thing. Don't get hurt but if you do play through the pain and be the hero. Players, fans, coaches, media, managers, etc. have turned players who play injured into heroes.

[Stuntman Mike]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I blame the team for that. He should have had the surgery on both hips after the 18-19 season, or the latest the 19-20 season.

Instead they just kept trotting him out there because he was willing to play through the pain.

The injured Monahan situation has always bothered me. For the last number of years it was plain as day he was playing injured, and yet he kept playing and underperforming. This wasn't helping the team or the player.

Who was making this decision?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think they had to know.

Wasn't it Gaudreau talking after the season in 19-20 that Monahan could barely walk to the rink, and was having trouble sleeping at night?

If Gaudreau knew then it's the training staffs job to know too.

Honestly I agree with you.

But from a distance I just can't say that I know they knew. Telling your matching dog buddy and telling the training staff aren't the same thing.

Chances are they were aware he was hurt, but didn't know the full extent because he was sitting on some info (in my opinion)

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly I agree with you.

But from a distance I just can't say that I know they knew. Telling your matching dog buddy and telling the training staff aren't the same thing.

Chances are they were aware he was hurt, but didn't know the full extent because he was sitting on some info (in my opinion)

OK but his performance was declining rapidly for more than one season. Are the trainers that dumb that they couldn't put two and two together?

Any way you slice it, this is on the hockey team IMO.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

OK but his performance was declining rapidly for more than one season. Are the trainers that dumb that they couldn't put two and two together?

Any way you slice it, this is on the hockey team IMO.

I agree. That Athletic article had a reference to it "still being the player's choice whether to play" across the league, but IMO that's total bull####. The coach gets to decide the lines and which players dress. If the trainers and doctors are all saying this guy is too injured and should be sitting, and the coach/ management decide to listen to the injured player instead, that still remains an organizational fault and an issue with the club.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

OK but his performance was declining rapidly for more than one season. Are the trainers that dumb that they couldn't put two and two together?

Any way you slice it, this is on the hockey team IMO.

I'm not saying no one knew he was hurt.

That's pretty obvious he had surgeries every year.

But it's certainly possible he kept the extent of it to himself. That's it. All I'm saying.

Also possible that they knew fully what was going on and made the decision to limp through it.

Trying hard to understand why a team would do that though? Guy is on the decline and you know he needs full on surgery to shut the whole mess down, but you decline because you think the declining player is too important to the now?

Possible I guess.

But a few reaches in there.

[Enoch Root]

I think there is little to no chance that Monahan wanted surgery but the Flames didn't. FAR more likely that the player didn't want surgery and to miss a season. And if the player keeps telling them that he is okay, that is going to rule the day for a while at least

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not saying no one knew he was hurt.

That's pretty obvious he had surgeries every year.

But it's certainly possible he kept the extent of it to himself. That's it. All I'm saying.

Also possible that they knew fully what was going on and made the decision to limp through it.

Trying hard to understand why a team would do that though? Guy is on the decline and you know he needs full on surgery to shut the whole mess down, but you decline because you think the declining player is too important to the now?

Possible I guess.

But a few reaches in there.

Chris Tanev played meaningless games at the end of the season a couple years ago with broken ribs.

Personally I don’t trust that this team is making the right decisions on when to shut these guys down and let them heal.

Think They are deffering to the “players want to play” excuse too much, you need to save these guys from themselves sometimes

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Chris Tanev played meaningless games at the end of the season a couple years ago with broken ribs.

Personally I don’t trust that this team is making the right decisions on when to shut these guys down and let them heal.

Think They are deffering to the “players want to play” excuse too much, you need to save these guys from themselves sometimes

Right, but I think what you are describing is not a "Flames medical staff and hockey opperations" issue, it is a NHL and hockey culture issue. I think we would all welcome a change to how players injuries are dealt with, but I suspect it is incredibly difficult for an individual team to set policies in that regard. Change will only come when the League and the PA insist on it.

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[TheScorpion]

While we're on the topic of Monahan — I did up a little thing here outlining just how much of a win-win the Kadri/Monahan swap has been for everyone.

https://flamesnation.ca/news/sean-mo...calgary-flames

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I blame the team for that. He should have had the surgery on both hips after the 18-19 season, or the latest the 19-20 season.

Instead they just kept trotting him out there because he was willing to play through the pain.

If the team knew, they would have placed him on the IR and made a move at last seasons trade deadline.

[FanIn80]

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Narrator: Those kids didn't cheer loud enough.

Not sure what's happening in Florida -- Tkachuk is putting up good numbers on the second line but Barkov and Reinhart still haven't scored a goal this year. Florida is also 30th in the NHL in Powerplay %...

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

While we're on the topic of Monahan — I did up a little thing here outlining just how much of a win-win the Kadri/Monahan swap has been for everyone.

https://flamesnation.ca/news/sean-mo...calgary-flames

There should be little doubt that Monny will get a big ovation from the crowd when he returns to the Saddledome on Dec 1st!

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Narrator: Those kids didn't cheer loud enough.

Not sure what's happening in Florida -- Tkachuk is putting up good numbers on the second line but Barkov and Reinhart still haven't scored a goal this year. Florida is also 30th in the NHL in Powerplay %...

I’d be happy if those two just continue to do what they did here. Great individual success and no team success. Not that either really came through for us consistently when it counted anyways.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I’d be happy if those two just continue to do what they did here. Great individual success and no team success. Not that either really came through for us consistently when it counted anyways.

I agree with the overall sentiment, buuuut... Gaudreau did score the OT goal vs ANA get us back in that series (2-1 vs 3-0) as well as the OT goal in Game 7 vs Dallas to send us to the next round.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Narrator: Those kids didn't cheer loud enough.

Not sure what's happening in Florida -- Tkachuk is putting up good numbers on the second line but Barkov and Reinhart still haven't scored a goal this year. Florida is also 30th in the NHL in Powerplay %...

All being masked by their soft schedule so far

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I agree with the overall sentiment, buuuut... Gaudreau did score the OT goal vs ANA get us back in that series (2-1 vs 3-0) as well as the OT goal in Game 7 vs Dallas to send us to the next round.

Sure and then did nothing against Edmonton. My lasting memory of him is sadly not going to be the corner shot pass Oettinger but the time where he was in perfect position to either shadow or check Draisatl and instead he just curled back up the blue line and 3 seconds later McDavid has the puck and it’s going in our net.