09-01-2022, 04:05 PM
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All I can get
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When does Ruzicka sign and for how much?
I'm wondering if this goes down to the wire in the same manner past Mangiapane negotiations happened.
I'm guessing his ask is around a million, with Treliving holding firm at $850,000 - $900,000 tops?
Short term, i.e. two years?
I have no doubt Ruzicka signs, as he doesn't have much leverage.
His ELC was $801,666 cap hit per year, $850,000 with signing bonuses.
Last edited by Reggie Dunlop; 09-01-2022 at 07:04 PM.
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09-01-2022, 04:09 PM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I'm guessing it has more to do with how busy Treliving's summer is than any disagreement.
Probably agreed in principal, and the GM told the agent just give me ten days and then we'll get the paper done.
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09-01-2022, 04:15 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2002
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I think the NHL salary will be fairly straight forward and, if they are hung up on anything, it's whether that's a one way contract or at least a reasonable bump in minors salary.
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09-01-2022, 04:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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what leverage does he have to get anymore than his QO?
two-way, $787500 NHL, $75000 AHL
Last edited by Canada 02; 09-01-2022 at 04:25 PM.
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09-01-2022, 04:23 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
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I assume he signs shortly before or after Dustin Boyd
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09-01-2022, 04:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour
I think the NHL salary will be fairly straight forward and, if they are hung up on anything, it's whether that's a one way contract or at least a reasonable bump in minors salary.
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If I were him I would try to construct a contract that makes it easy as possible to make the club.
1 year deal with a low NHL salary and higher AHL salary.
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09-01-2022, 04:28 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Still quite a few RFAs unsigned around the league, so this seems normal. I expect he signs within the next 2 weeks.
If Ruzicka was smart, he would take a short term, low salary two-way deal, with a high AHL salary. Give himself a lower cap hit than the players that he will be competing with for a spot so that if it comes down to splitting hairs, they will take the lower cap hit. Make it easier to stay in the NHL for a whole season, then he has more leverage to negotiate next season.
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09-01-2022, 04:29 PM
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First round-bust
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I could see this one being drawn out for a little while.
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09-01-2022, 04:36 PM
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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I think he showed enough to warrant a 1-way. Something like 2yrs @ $900k would be fair.
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09-01-2022, 04:37 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I could see this one being drawn out for a little while.
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Why?
Just a gut feeling, or inside info from someone in the know?
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09-01-2022, 04:39 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I could see this one being drawn out for a little while.
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Well that would be dumb on his part.
He cannot miss a single day of camp.
He needs to be taking the long view here.
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09-01-2022, 04:44 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
If I were him I would try to construct a contract that makes it easy as possible to make the club.
1 year deal with a low NHL salary and higher AHL salary.
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I guess one part of having the Wranglers in town....his season will be a yo-yo. Keep that cap low.
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09-01-2022, 05:28 PM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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1 year, 850k, next week
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09-01-2022, 06:54 PM
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I think it would follow the Mangiapane example in 2019. Mangiapane signed for $715k on Sep 15, 2019. I see Ruzicka signing for something between $750-900k within 2 weeks.
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09-01-2022, 07:18 PM
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Maybe something like $800,000 NHL, $80,000 AHL, $300,000 guarantee. That would give the team a real incentive to keep him up at least part of the year, since they would want him to earn that guaranteed money.
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09-01-2022, 07:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
Maybe something like $800,000 NHL, $80,000 AHL, $300,000 guarantee. That would give the team a real incentive to keep him up at least part of the year, since they would want him to earn that guaranteed money.
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Would that not just be 800K in the NHL and 300K in the minors?
Im guessing he wants a 1 way deal....even at league min.
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09-01-2022, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Would that not just be 800K in the NHL and 300K in the minors?
Im guessing he wants a 1 way deal....even at league min.
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No, this is a different thing. Several players around the league have had contracts structured this way. You get your $300,000 no matter what happens, but you don't go over that amount until you have spent a sufficient number of games in the NHL to earn more. With these particular numbers, Ruzicka would earn:
• $300,000 if he spent the entire year in the AHL
• $300,000 if he played up to 25 NHL games (assuming for convenience that he's up for an average number of days per game played)
• More than $300,000 if he played more than 25 NHL games
• The full $800,000 if he spent the entire season with the Flames.
It's then in the club's financial interest to let him have at least a large cup of coffee with the parent team.
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09-01-2022, 08:45 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
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He’s no longer waiver exempt i thought I heard. One way deal. For 800
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09-01-2022, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jlh2640
He’s no longer waiver exempt i thought I heard.
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That's true, but having a one-way or two-way deal won't affect that one way or the other.
I doubt the Flames want to get stuck paying an NHL salary to a player who doesn't make the team and also doesn't get claimed on waivers. A two-way deal, at this point, is basically insurance against that chance.
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09-02-2022, 07:28 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
That's true, but having a one-way or two-way deal won't affect that one way or the other.
I doubt the Flames want to get stuck paying an NHL salary to a player who doesn't make the team and also doesn't get claimed on waivers. A two-way deal, at this point, is basically insurance against that chance.
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After what he showed last season, surely gets claimed by one of the lower teams
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