Emile Fricken' Poirier

[jeffman]

Sounds like a conservative estimate is that he'll be a Bourque or a Steve Bernier

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Downside is a 500+ NHL games played career?

I know I'm being bitchy here, but you gotta get real with your projections on prospects. You were doing the same thing in the prospect poll threads this summer, saying Knight was pretty much a lock to be a quality 2nd/3rd line C, while Klimchuk at worst would be a Lee Stempniak.

Knight, at 23 years old, isn't even a lock to ever play a full season in the NHL, let alone be a quality 2/3 center. The downside of Poirier/Klimchuk is that they never stick in this league, not that they turn out like Lombardi/Cogliano/Stempniak.

30% of the players drafted in the 1st round will never play more than 200 games in the NHL.

Well, it definitely is a switch for me. I have been accused many times on here in the past 5 years of being overly pessimistic with my evaluations of players and the team as a whole. At the time of their picks, I thought all of Nemisz, Wahl, Howse, Pelech, Chucko, and several other of the lower round guys were poor picks because they didn't have the skill level to become NHL guys. Turned out I was correct.

I have watched plenty of young guys over the past decade and what they have turned into as players and I take note of that. When I see a large defenseman that can't skate well, I know it is very likely that that guy is going to bust, unless they think the game exceptionally well (See Hal Gill). There have been dozens of guys that fit that mold that have flamed out entirely in the past decade. So when we take a guy like Kanzig, I don't really think he's going to materialize into anything more than maybe a 6/7 guy, basically Chris Breen 2.0.

Back when I was at Winsport, I compared Monahan to Patrick Marleau, because they both do a lot of things very well, but nothing exceptional, except they think the game very well. When Marleau played in the NHL at 18 he had around 55 points. From what we have seen thus far from Monahan, would 45-55 points be out of line if he stays the whole year? Was my evaluation of him poor and completely off the mark?

When I saw Poirier, the only two times I have watched someone that young with his types of skill + 3 zone play was Lombardi and Cogliano. So seeing how those two turned out (both quality 3rd line guys), I make a correlation between those two and Poirier, with the qualifier that Poirier has better hands than either of those guys at the same age.

The difference between right now and the past 23 years I've watched the Flames is that the prospect pool itself is more resembling the mid 80's where we had guys like Nieuwy, Roberts, Suter, MacInnis, Vernon, Fleury etc coming up instead of the 90's and 00's where we had to look forward to the super talented likes of Eric Nystrom and Rico Fata.

I am very much a realist when it comes to the fact that any specific player could bust. However, from what I've seen of young guys in the past on a lot of teams and how they turned out, and the current crop of forwards that we have, there are going to be a lot of guys that will become NHL players (not necessarily all with Calgary)

PS, Knight is putting up a PPG pace in the AHL thus far, and put up 49 points in the NCAA last year and is over 5 foot 6. That means that he will be an NHL player (Every single one over 6 feet tall and 45+ points in the NCAA in the past 5 years has turned into an NHL guy)

You should be excited when a pessimist like myself is giving glowing reports like I have been recently. It means that there is a lot to like about this team's future. All we need is another good defenseman or two in the prospect pool and we should have everything that we need to build the foundation of a contender. We still need more quality but we are a long way down that road.

[The Fonz]

I just find you to be totally delusional.

You also told me that in order to be a contender, a team needs to have 15-20 Monahan/Baertschi level prospects.

There are no words to describe how absurd that statement is.

Anyway, I am absolutely pumped about Poirier and will stop taking away from the topic.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Downside is a 500+ NHL games played career?

I know I'm being bitchy here, but you gotta get real with your projections on prospects. You were doing the same thing in the prospect poll threads this summer, saying Knight was pretty much a lock to be a quality 2nd/3rd line C, while Klimchuk at worst would be a Lee Stempniak.

Knight, at 23 years old, isn't even a lock to ever play a full season in the NHL, let alone be a quality 2/3 center. The downside of Poirier/Klimchuk is that they never stick in this league, not that they turn out like Lombardi/Cogliano/Stempniak.

30% of the players drafted in the 1st round will never play more than 200 games in the NHL.

so 70% of first rounders play more than 200 games in the nhl?



"well folks when you're right 48% of the time, you're wrong 52% of the time"

get off caged great he's a quality poster and bleeds red figuratively and i'm almost positive literally as well. being hyped about prospects is "literally" the only joy i have in fandom,
wet blanket level-flood victim.

[sureLoss]

His stats are starting to mirror Corey Perry's somewhat.

Would be ecstatic if he turned into that kind of player.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by handgroen

so 70% of first rounders play more than 200 games in the nhl?



"well folks when you're right 48% of the time, you're wrong 52% of the time"

get off caged great he's a quality poster and bleeds red figuratively and i'm almost positive literally as well. being hyped about prospects is "literally" the only joy i have in fandom,
wet blanket level-flood victim.

I really hope he bleeds red literally too. Otherwise he should definitely get it checked out.

[sureLoss]

Further to the Corey Perry comparison:

Perry draft year: 1.16pts/g 2.16PIM/g
Porier draft year: 1.08ptsg 1.55PIM/g

Perry draft +1: 1.71pts/g 1.48PIM/g
Porier draft+1: 1.67pts/g 2.41PIM/g (to date)

[herashak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Further to the Corey Perry comparison:

Perry draft year: 1.16pts/g 2.16PIM/g
Porier draft year: 1.08ptsg 1.55PIM/g

Perry draft +1: 1.71pts/g 1.48PIM/g
Porier draft+1: 1.67pts/g 2.41PIM/g (to date)

Qmjhl vs ohl

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by herashak

Qmjhl vs ohl

True, but NHLE shows the leagues are pretty close to each other, with the OHL slightly ahead.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by herashak

Qmjhl vs ohl

Not as big a difference as it use to be.

[remember2004]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

His stats are starting to mirror Corey Perry's somewhat.

Would be ecstatic if he turned into that kind of player.

If that happened I will eat all that I've said about management drafting the wrong player..

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by remember2004

If that happened I will eat all that I've said about management drafting the wrong player..

Oh thank god. I had heard that management was very upset with themselves when they heard what you said about there drafting of Poirier. Apparently they vowed to prove you wrong.

[Tyler]

Dumb question - did Poirier get invited to the WJ hockey camp?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Dumb question - did Poirier get invited to the WJ hockey camp?

He was there in the summer, the real camp hasn't been announced yet.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He was there in the summer, the real camp hasn't been announced yet.

Any idea when that usually is?

[MrMastodonFarm]

The US just announced (this afternoon) their camp for December 15-18th, so I'd imagine team Canada's will be about the same. Can't recall exactly but that's typically when they've done it past years too.

[Tinordi]

Poirier's a very solid bet to make this team because he can play both wings.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Poirier's a very solid bet to make this team because he can play both wings.

Curious, has be played the left side at all?

I know he's playing his off-wing so the left would be his "natural" wing but I don't know if he has much experience on that side.

Not a huge deal though, the wing is a fluid position and switching sides is much easier then say moving from the middle to the wing, just curious if anyone knows.

[GGG]

It would be awsome if we could put four prospects on that team though I think it is likely we get two. Either Mono or Janko and Poirier. I think Mono would bump Janko off the team in terms of centers right now.

[Niemo]

Jankowski - Monahan - Poirier