A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The more time passes the more annoyed I get that Jon wasn't made King in the end.

Wasn't even suggested by anyone. Not even his best friend Sam.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The more time passes the more annoyed I get that Jon wasn't made King in the end.

I kind of think he was a very honorable man but I don't know if he had the smarts to long term be a successful king. He seems like a man too trusting and easily manipulated. The good thing about Bran is that because of his vision he's always going to know the political angles and would not easily get manipulated.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I kind of think he was a very honorable man but I don't know if he had the smarts to long term be a successful king. He seems like a man too trusting and easily manipulated. The good thing about Bran is that because of his vision he's always going to know the political angles and would not easily get manipulated.

This is true, but Jon could have Bran at his disposal as an advisor. Not to mention keeping Tyrion as his hand.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The more time passes the more annoyed I get that Jon wasn't made King in the end.

Why? By all accounts he was ridiculously easily manipulated and not leadership material in any capacity.

I know, I know, 'Lord Commander' and 'King of the North' etc, and so on and so forth.

He reminds me of Churchill. A brilliant wartime leader who can inspire men and armies but just a complete non-factor as a politician or peacetime leader.

Basically the Northern Equivalent to Robert Baratheon.

[Matata]

Jon is probably the stupidest character in the entire series, he survives only due to plot armor and being one of the best swordsman in the world.

[Fuzz]

Can we please retire the use of the phrase "plot armour" now that the show is over? Ugh.

[nik-]

Plot armor isn't a GoT thing though. GoT just has cases of plot armor.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Matata

Jon is probably the stupidest character in the entire series, he survives only due to plot armor and being one of the best swordsman in the world.

So....you're saying that in a world where there is a lot of fighting, and this character being primarily a fighter, being one of the best fighters is the only reason this character survives?

I see. Yeah. That makes no sense at all.

[Fuzz]

I know, but it is extremely overused thanks to GOT. Every stupid blog article or comment section has someone pretending they are clever using the phrase, and while it may be true, it's not particularly insightful.



Like, ya, the main character isn't going to die becuase they are the main character that the story is focusing on. It wouldn't be much of a story if you just killed off all the characters with a back story that you had invested 8 season in. So big insight there. If Danny had survived we'd be hearing she is protected by plot armour.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I know, but it is extremely overused thanks to GOT.

I mean did you see the battle against the Night King? That was pretty ridiculous.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Arya having multiple buildings collapse on her and she walks away with barely a scratch was worse.

[SuperMatt18]

I hate the term "Plot Armor" in general - IMO it's a term used by people that just don't agree with the direction a writer took in a show or story.

It's a story that is written by someone, every single thing that exists in that universe is decided on by the writer, and in reality everything that occurs is "plot armor" because the writer is making decisions that need to be made to continue the story moving forward.

If the character is not put into dangerous situations and is able to stay alive - "plot armor" (ie. Bran for most of the last two seasons)

If a character ends up in a dangerous situation but somehow survives - "plot armor" (ie. Jon at battle of the bastards or at Battle for Winterfell)

If characters make what seem like foolish decisions because they need to advance the story - "plot armor" (ie. Nobody killing each other during the two meetings at king landing between Cersei and Dany)

Just a ridiculous term. "Plot Armour" has protected every main character throughout the history of time in pretty much all stories - Star Wars, GoT, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, etc.

They'd all be pretty boring stories if in the first book the giant spider kills Frodo, if one of the death eaters finds out where Harry lives unprotected prior to going to Hogwarts and kill him in book 1 of Harry Potter, or if Hans and Luke freeze to death in Empire.

[Fuzz]

it's going to infinity!
https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...lot%20armor%22


GOT specific...
https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...24b41&date=all

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Matata

Jon is probably the stupidest character in the entire series, he survives only due to plot armor and being one of the best swordsman in the world.

He doesn't even survive all the time!

[Rando]

Still better than The Jimmy McNulty Show err season five of The Wire.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Locke

So....you're saying that in a world where there is a lot of fighting, and this character being primarily a fighter, being one of the best fighters is the only reason this character survives?

I see. Yeah. That makes no sense at all.

You can't just murder your way out of all of your problems.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He doesn't even survive all the time!

He should have died a dozen times before he actually died, and then he should have died a dozen more.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Matata

He should have died a dozen times before he actually died, and then he should have died a dozen more.

Ah, the Beric Dondarrion strategy.

[blankall]

Part of the issue with GoT was that it was a show that habitually killed what seemed like main characters. So for some characters to essentially have super-powers seemed a bit odd. That being said, Dany and Jon were both obviously going to make it to the end. There was going to be a Clegane bowl. Arya and Bran (after he became the 3 eyed Raven) were likely to survive.

The tone and realism of the show definitely changed though. Lesser characters like Sam, Brienne, etc...all became invincible too. A show that once featured people dieing from battle wounds, now had characters surviving being neck deep in zombies.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Matata

You can't just murder your way out of all of your problems.