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Old 03-05-2019, 09:51 AM   #21
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They didn't really go off on Pat per se. But Lou got fired up and raised his voice a bit (as per Pat) while Derek threw in multiple veiled attempts at discrediting Rittich's early season success to curry favor to Mike Smith starting in the playoffs.

Not sure what David Rittich has done to Wills and Loubo, but it's very obvious on air that they have a very strong bias towards Mike Smith. Not sure if it's just older vets looking out for another older vet. But it's lead to some personal angst against Ryan Pinder because he's not a Smith guy at all and as soon as Mike Smith had a bad game, the 2 were all of a sudden very "tired" of the goaltending talk, but were completely fine talking with the goaltending conversation when Smith was on his win streak.

Just reeks of desperation. Eric Francis can be thrown into this grouping as well. Pat seems to be the most level headed of the bunch, he's interested in talking about each goaltender's struggles and is willing to criticize and give credit where credit is due whereas Ryan Pinder, Derek Wills and Peter Loubardias have clear favorites.
Feels like Flames media carrying water like the goofs up north.
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:52 AM   #22
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Lou has a hard time separating the player from the person.

Admirable, but not what you really want out of an analyst.
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I don't understand blind loyalty or hatred toward certain goalies. Just go with who's playing better.

It's been Rittich for most of the season and now it's a toss-up. Go with who gets you the first win.
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:53 AM   #24
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:55 AM   #25
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:56 AM   #26
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Derek Wills has the worst takes on the Fan 960.
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Obama would have saved that 5th Leafs goal.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:00 AM   #28
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Lou has a hard time separating the player from the person.

Admirable, but not what you really want out of an analyst.
Lou is a great analyst of the game and makes for great radio to listen to. But you're 100% right about him having a hard time separating player from person. It's usually the vets that he loves and he'll defend them to death because he loves good people (to a fault). But when he's not talking about his favorite guy though, I think he's generally the smartest guy on SN 960.
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Peter Loubardias is the nicest guy I've ever met in hockey. It sometimes works a little bit against him, but he's still usually a great analyst of the game.
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Peter Loubardias is the nicest guy I've ever met in hockey. It sometimes works a little bit against him, but he's still usually a great analyst of the game.
He can't hold a candle to Mike Rogers.

The 2004 run was even more special because of Maher and Rogers.
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He had a super awkward conversation about Russel too, when he was still with the Flames.

Probably the biggest blow-up I've heard on the Fan between him and Steinberg.

Wills and Lou are all in on the group think train. I'm sure Mike Smith is a quality person. But Mike Smith is 36 and on the down slope of his career. This is a business. Mike Smith won't be on the team next year.
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I don't understand blind loyalty or hatred toward certain goalies. Just go with who's playing better.

It's been Rittich for most of the season and now it's a toss-up. Go with who gets you the first win.
I think a lot of fans have a clear bias against Smith and a favorable bias for Rittich, and are quick to attack anyone who shows a favorable bias for Smith.

Bias is almost unavoidable. It's really difficult to stay objective when you're so pissed that Smith has cost you so many points in the past, even though as you said it's now kind of a toss-up.

Start whoever is winning.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:18 AM   #33
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One problem with that.. no one is winning.
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One problem with that.. no one is winning.
Did you miss the 64 games before these last 2?
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I feel the team owes Rittich a couple games to figure it out. He’s shown that he can get hot but he’s also shown that he may not be the type of goalie that can go several weeks without a start and come in and play lights out. The flames should’ve gave him a couple more starts during the winning streak to keep him in a groove. This past game reminded me of how Rittich played in that first pre-season start. I’m all for riding the hot goalie but given how unpredictable ours have been it seems a bit naive to have one of them go weeks without starting. Both Smith and Rittich need games, neither seem to do well when coming back after a several games or more as the backup.


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Did you miss the 64 games before these last 2?


The team has been out scoring their problems, but that scoring is drying up.
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I feel the team owes Rittich a couple games to figure it out. He’s shown that he can get hot but he’s also shown that he may not be the type of goalie that can go several weeks without a start and come in and play lights out. The flames should’ve gave him a couple more starts during the winning streak to keep him in a groove. This past game reminded me of how Rittich played in that first pre-season start. I’m all for riding the hot goalie but given how unpredictable ours have been it seems a bit naive to have one of them go weeks without starting. Both Smith and Rittich need games, neither seem to do well when coming back after a several games or more as the backup.


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I definitely would like to see Rittich get a string of starts just to see what we have in him.

My only concern with him is that he seems to be trending in the wrong direction. He started the year red hot after taking over for Smith, but since he's been handed more or less the starter's role, he's had more bad games. I wouldn't say he's "struggled" like Smith has, but he hasn't been as good.

The worry is this is the second year in a row where Rittich has shown some signs of struggling when handed a bigger role. Once is luck, twice is coincidence. Can we really afford to give him a third year just to see what we have in him?

I've said in one of the other threads, I think Treliving has done a great job acquiring the right pieces to make this team a contender. I think he needs to pony up the assets now to get a true #1 in the summer.

Rittich is great, but I think he eventually peaks as a Ramo/Khudobin/Domingue type of a goalie. My opinion only.
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I’m not sure why but I actually feel a bit better about things this morning. I’ve had some kind of a moment of clarity. The team is good. They’ve had some things go against them the last couple and they haven’t been terrific since the break. However, this is the way a full season goes, there are ebbs and flows. Vegas had a terrible stretch. The Jets couldn’t buy a win. The Flames are scuffling a bit right now - it’s the dog days of the hockey season. I believe they will get it together. The top line will get firing again and the goaltending will improve. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later. Maybe even Wednesday in Vegas?
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The team has been out scoring their problems, but that scoring is drying up.
PP is 23rd in the league since Feb 1. 3rd in PP opportunities.

19th in PK%

17th in the league in goals for since Feb 1.

12th in the league in goals against since Feb 1.

19th in Even Strength goals for since Feb 1.

To me, it comes down to tkachuk:

5 points since Feb 1 (15 games). That is tied with Mangiapane, Czarnik, Frolik, Janko and Bennett.

On February 1st, Tkachuk was 1 point behind Lindholm (57 points to 58). Since then, Lindholm has 14 points compared to Tkachuk's 5.

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People that thought the Flames played really badly have only seen the score and didn't watch the game. Anderson was the difference pure and simple (plus a couple pucks that bounced over sticks) and that's not a slight against Rittich. I suppose you could question the D giving the looks that Ennis got on the first goal, and the breakaway leading to a goal. But the Flames outshot, outchanced, and generally outskated the Leafs.
Not just the breakaway but Hamonic let his man skate past him and get to the rebound. That was a backbreaking goal. Past that point, Rittich stunk too.
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