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Old 08-18-2022, 10:31 AM   #3721
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Honestly, if you’re a grown ass adult mature enough to drive you should accept reality a little bit more than needing fake noises. My infant daughter plays with toy cars that make fake engine sounds...

Fake. Sounds. Homie, if your so insecure about your stupidly fast electric hot rod just buy a 1996 civic and be happy.

I thought camshafts with profiles engineered for sound rather than real performance were silly. But this is whole’notha level cringe.
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Old 08-18-2022, 10:49 AM   #3722
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It's not like exhaust tones in current cars are unavoidable or necessary now, though. What's the difference, really? How many of us have put in x-pipes, headers, magnaflos, borlas, etc. I have the resonators removed in my current car. I've done the exhaust for a different/louder tone in half the cars I've owned. Even straight piped one.

This is the same thing. If you're upset this car isn't silent then go be upset every car isn't silent. We have the muffler tech to make everything really quiet, but most cool cars have a sound and people actually care about it. Try to find a review on any enthusiast vehicle that doesn't mention exhaust note...good luck.

EVs pose an interesting problem. The sound of a car is part of its presence. I don't know that many enthusiasts are ready for silence at this point. I agree we haven't found the sound that'll work yet, but part of the theater of owning a fun car has historically been the sounds it makes, so I'm not surprised automakers are experimenting with new ways to bring that to the EV table.
I see a distinction. Enjoying the exhaust noise is something you could justify that you, the driver, enjoyed hearing while you drive. "Oops, I guess other people have to hear it too".

Now, it's a speaker on the outside of the car spewing noise to try get people to look at you. There is no more pretending, it's straight up teenage level cries for attention.

Personally, I can convince myself of the former, and have liked driving cars that sounded cool to me. The latter is just a step wayyyy too far, and would be admitting I'm a dick bag to myself. No thanks, I'll continue to live in self denial in my future quiet car.
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Old 08-18-2022, 11:32 AM   #3723
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Honestly, if you’re a grown ass adult mature enough to drive you should accept reality a little bit more than needing fake noises. My infant daughter plays with toy cars that make fake engine sounds...

Fake. Sounds. Homie, if your so insecure about your stupidly fast electric hot rod just buy a 1996 civic and be happy.

I thought camshafts with profiles engineered for sound rather than real performance were silly. But this is whole’notha level cringe.
I'm saying all the sounds are fake, though. They're manipulated and orchestrated. It's not like they just naturally come out of the factory accidentally sounding the way they do. They're tuned to sound one way or another.

I don't see how insecurity enters into it. I'm hardly insecure about the vehicles I drive. I'm rocking my daughter's Golf today with a "cooler" car in the garage just because I enjoy driving different things. I DGAF what people think, but I enjoy sounds. I like music. I like V8s. I like the sound of the turbos in my 2.7 Ecoboost. I think many car people either naturally like the sounds of cars or maybe we have been conditioned to like them because we associate them with the things we like, but I'm willing to let automakers play with sounds until they can find something cool. Definitely going to give them a bit of leeway over the next few years without flapping around squawking fAkEeEeEeEe since every engine sound since forever is manipulated, anyway.
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I see a distinction. Enjoying the exhaust noise is something you could justify that you, the driver, enjoyed hearing while you drive. "Oops, I guess other people have to hear it too".

Now, it's a speaker on the outside of the car spewing noise to try get people to look at you. There is no more pretending, it's straight up teenage level cries for attention.

Personally, I can convince myself of the former, and have liked driving cars that sounded cool to me. The latter is just a step wayyyy too far, and would be admitting I'm a dick bag to myself. No thanks, I'll continue to live in self denial in my future quiet car.
I have owned Mustangs fitted with Borla exhausts that drew a lot of compliments but I also owned an STI with downpipe and aftermarket exhaust and in hindsight Jeremy Clarkson's comment of "Hold on, that's the sound of a turbocharged flat-four engine... A sound which all over the world heralds the arrival of a moron." is kind of true as it's super loud and not really pleasing to the ears. I just think we have to acknowledge that times have changed and the public largely doesn't appreciate loud exhaust noises and to me this nothing but a sign of immaturity.
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:48 PM   #3726
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I have owned Mustangs fitted with Borla exhausts that drew a lot of compliments but I also owned an STI with downpipe and aftermarket exhaust and in hindsight Jeremy Clarkson's comment of "Hold on, that's the sound of a turbocharged flat-four engine... A sound which all over the world heralds the arrival of a moron." is kind of true as it's super loud and not really pleasing to the ears. I just think we have to acknowledge that times have changed and the public largely doesn't appreciate loud exhaust noises and to me this nothing but a sign of immaturity.
I'll take any fake engine noise - including George Jetson's - over any Subaru anytime ever.
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I'll take any fake engine noise - including George Jetson's - over any Subaru anytime ever.
Why should we have to put up with either? EV's shouldn't be broadcasting "look at me" attention noise.
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Why should we have to put up with either? EV's shouldn't be broadcasting "look at me" attention noise.
I actually do think they need to emit some sound....at least for now until everyone is used to them. Too dangerous for pedestrians in a lot of circumstances when they're totally silent.
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Why should we have to put up with either? EV's shouldn't be broadcasting "look at me" attention noise.
EV's, as I mentioned, sound pretty bad. Irritatingly so during heavy acceleration. I'm OK with automakers experimenting to cover this up or modify it a bit. They don't need to make it sound like a rumbling V8, but it's to early in all of this to say any attempt is a bad attempt.
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This is coming from the company that ...has probably got more collectible cars in it's history than any other manufacturer.
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I actually do think they need to emit some sound....at least for now until everyone is used to them. Too dangerous for pedestrians in a lot of circumstances when they're totally silent.
A Toyota Corolla going 50km/h down a residential street is totally silent. For most cars, the majority of the sound they emit is tire and wind noise.
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I was thinking purely muscle cars.
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I actually do think they need to emit some sound....at least for now until everyone is used to them. Too dangerous for pedestrians in a lot of circumstances when they're totally silent.
I was crossing in front of a car at the opposite pump to mine at gas station last week and they almost ran me over. Completely silent when she started to drive away. I knew the car was there but without sound my brain just assumed it was safe to cross. I don't believe in loud pipes save lives nonsense but noise is part of our situational awareness.
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I actually do think they need to emit some sound....at least for now until everyone is used to them. Too dangerous for pedestrians in a lot of circumstances when they're totally silent.
Next time you see a car coming your way tell me what you hear first. The engine or tire noise.

I can’t think of a time I’ve ever heard a standard (stock, unmodified exhaust) car engine before hearing tire noise.

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I'm saying all the sounds are fake, though. They're manipulated and orchestrated. It's not like they just naturally come out of the factory accidentally sounding the way they do. They're tuned to sound one way or another.

I don't see how insecurity enters into it. I'm hardly insecure about the vehicles I drive. I'm rocking my daughter's Golf today with a "cooler" car in the garage just because I enjoy driving different things. I DGAF what people think, but I enjoy sounds. I like music. I like V8s. I like the sound of the turbos in my 2.7 Ecoboost. I think many car people either naturally like the sounds of cars or maybe we have been conditioned to like them because we associate them with the things we like, but I'm willing to let automakers play with sounds until they can find something cool. Definitely going to give them a bit of leeway over the next few years without flapping around squawking fAkEeEeEeEe since every engine sound since forever is manipulated, anyway.
controlled =\= made up.

The sound that comes out of my tail pipe is a direct result of the mechanical functions of the engine. There is physical sound waves being controlled and manipulated. There’s no way you don’t see the difference.

Or maybe a hologram of a Mercedes is the same as yours because your car has been manipulated in it’s appearance via paint.
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Next time you see a car coming your way tell me what you hear first. The engine or tire noise.

I can’t think of a time I’ve ever heard a standard car engine before hearing tire noise.
A bunch of motorcycle riders with straight pipes who have never heard of the Doppler effect are going to argue until they're blue in the face that you're wrong.


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Don't do online reviews not sure this should be here, but wanted you all to know about...

German auto Specialists in Crowfoot Centre.

The biggest rip job ever I have encountered. They gave me a quote (not in writing but kept phoning me verbally on a quote to fix a problem, when I brought in for the first visit ever) They told me they would email me the quote and never got one but then followed up twice via phone calls.
Alarm bells rang, so I took it to the dealership who fixed the issue for 23% of the cost these guys gave me over the phone and 1/5 of the labour involved.

Never made an issue just moved on on but man people still pull this crap on innocent people needing service.

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The only 'German auto specialists' I would take my car to is Sheni's. They've been my off-warranty service center for two BMWs, a Merc, and two Astons.
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I have a small motorhome parked in the back driveway. Had a weekend gateaway planned. Go to start it, huge noise. Catalytic converter gone

And it must have been a small guy. It's pretty low, i can barely get under there.

So next steps? see if it can be replaced? file a police report?

Goes from bad to worse. While the motorhome was parked at the shop waiting for the cat to arrive, someone tried to steal it. Door lock cylander and ignition tumbler destroyed. Another claim, another deductible, sigh.

Beware, thieves are everywhere.
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