06-19-2019, 07:40 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Thanks, getbak. We didn't have to wait long for someone to come explain the obvious difference between the two leagues. Apples and oranges.
Funny how the Leafs fan is the one arguing for arbitrarily raising the salary cap. Go figure.
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06-19-2019, 08:03 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by getbak
Shouldn't it be settled by Thursday so that teams know what they're working with going into the Draft?
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You would think so but both Friedman and McKenzie said the number would be official on the weekend.
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06-19-2019, 08:48 AM
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#43
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius
You look at what the other 3 top leagues pays their stars.
https://howmuch.net/articles/sports-leagues-by-revenue
This is from 2016 but still the NHL is in the same ballpark as the NBA.
Ibaka makes 22 million a season. There are countless guys like this in the NBA who are good but making salary like that.
Hockey stars are realizing they deserve to get paid. Should McDavid be the top paid player in the NHL but be paid half of what a played of Serge Ibaka makes in the NBA?
Doesn't seem right to me. Someone is taking home a nice big piece of the pie and it ain't the players. |
The revenue is the revenue, and saying that the owners don't deserve a big piece of the pie to you know, run their teams is silly.
the players are getting, about half of the total revenue, there's no more money to give.
some of the owners it seems are sliding into the ludicris dollars area on contracts again.
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06-19-2019, 08:48 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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The NBA also has a soft cap which I believe increases available revenue and helps keep smaller teams afloat.
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06-19-2019, 08:49 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
The NBA also has a soft cap which I believe increases available revenue and helps keep smaller teams afloat.
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And leads to tiered competitiveness.
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06-19-2019, 09:32 AM
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#46
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by savemedrzaius
How many teams are considered in "cap trouble" this off season?
Half the league? The cap is too low.
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The only thing you do by raising the cap is increase escrow and competitive imbalance. Half the league will still spend to the new cap, but without an increase in revenues, it's all going to get clawed back from the players.
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06-19-2019, 09:43 AM
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#47
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius
Doesn't seem right to me. Someone is taking home a nice big piece of the pie and it ain't the players.
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The problem is that you don't understand that the pies are different sizes. Both the NHL and the NBA share revenue 50-50 between players and teams.
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06-21-2019, 01:45 PM
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#48
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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06-21-2019, 01:59 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Love it.
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06-21-2019, 02:01 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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06-21-2019, 02:03 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Seems to be a lot of complaining about the salary cap this season...
Suddenly these fans are all so mad at a hard cap, and think a soft cap with revenue sharing is the right solution...
A lot of the complaining seems to be coming from fans in the GTA...
Wonder why it’s such an issue all of a sudden?
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06-21-2019, 02:03 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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The Flames will have just over 13 Mil to split between two goalies, Mangiapane,Bennett and Tkachuk. Not impossible, but very tight. I think that it is a forgone conclusion that Brodie will be traded.
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06-21-2019, 02:04 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bonavista, Newfoundland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
And leads to tiered competitiveness.
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How do you figure?
Market size rank for the 4 teams in this year’s conference finals...
Toronto - 6
Golden State - 11
Portland - 22
Milwaukee - 27
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06-21-2019, 02:06 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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As much as I'd love the extra cap space I really want to see teams that are right up against it squirm this summer
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06-21-2019, 02:09 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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I know the Flames are not the TIGHTEST team to the cap, but this has to be bad news for the Flames too. A) Lots to sign, and B) less trade options for Brodie/Stone/Neal/Frolik.
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06-21-2019, 02:13 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Players should sign a contract = % of cap.
Example:
Johnny - 8% of cap. If cap goes up to $100m, Johnny makes $8m. If cap goes down to $50m, Johnny makes $4m.
Not sure why this wouldn't work.
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06-21-2019, 02:14 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Players should sign a contract = % of cap.
Example:
Johnny - 8% of cap. If cap goes up to $100m, Johnny makes $8m. If cap goes down to $50m, Johnny makes $4m.
Not sure why this wouldn't work.
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Cool idea! ... how would they ever make that transition, though.
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06-21-2019, 02:14 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incogneto
I know the Flames are not the TIGHTEST team to the cap, but this has to be bad news for the Flames too. A) Lots to sign, and B) less trade options for Brodie/Stone/Neal/Frolik.
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I would think that this makes Brodie more appealing then fishing for a UFA D man. His 4.65M contract is reasonable for what you get in return. True for the other guys though.
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06-21-2019, 03:04 PM
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#59
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
I would think that this makes Brodie more appealing then fishing for a UFA D man. His 4.65M contract is reasonable for what you get in return. True for the other guys though.
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Teams may prefer players that are signed for more than one year.
It gives them cost certainty.
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06-21-2019, 03:07 PM
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#60
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius
Cool idea! ... how would they ever make that transition, though.
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Not too hard, can grandfather, work out the cap percentage and it goes to that, use the cap percentage it was at time of signing...just have to agree with NHLPA.
The hard part, IMO, would be getting the NHLPA to agree, since they are increasingly signing contracts that are signing bonus heavy. How would that work with this model???
But it would make understanding the amount of cap available, and what players would fit easier to figure out come trade deadline...
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