Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Was there a poll/pool for how much debt we'd rack up during their 4 years? I can't remember.

Yep, let's pretend like the NDP didn't have to deal with 3 years of historically low oil prices...

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Yep, let's pretend like the NDP didn't have to deal with 3 years of historically low oil prices...

[Flamenspiel]

I am certainly not surprised by the stock market gains and this is what we all thought, the simple presence of the UCP in government will begin to turn the tide away from negativity. Its a classic case of the "perception becomes the reality".

There was a kind of a "malaise" under the NDP, similar to Jimmy Carter in 1979.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Yep, let's pretend like the NDP didn't have to deal with 3 years of historically low oil prices...

Deal with low prices? They spent like it was at 140/bbl.
Mathgod. pfft.

[Deegee]

Originally Posted by curves2000

It's my understanding that they haven't filed since the carbon tax came into effect and they haven't received their rebates subsidy of course, now they want to see if its possible to get retroactive benefits by filing before the law changes?

It's not a rebate. A rebate would suggest they track how much pollution you were taxed on and actually rebated it. It's also income tested.

That's typical of a subsidy.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Its a classic case of the "perception becomes the reality".

On Day 1 you're claiming perception has turned into reality for a pragmatic economic rebound?

[Deegee]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

On Day 1 you're claiming perception has turned into reality for a pragmatic economic rebound?

For better or for worse, I spoke with many small business owners today who say they are more confident about the next few years with the new government than they were with the NDP.

Over the last several years I never met a business owner tell me he felt the NDP was good for their business and things had gotten better under their rule.

I work with the public every day in the financial services industry.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Deegee

For better or for worse, I spoke with many small business owners today who say they are more confident about the next few years with the new government than they were with the NDP.



Over the last several years I never met a business owner tell me he felt the NDP was good for their business and things had gotten better under their rule.

Anecdotal evidence and an appeal to authority. 2-for-1 combo.

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[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

On Day 1 you're claiming perception has turned into reality for a pragmatic economic rebound?

No one is claiming that, but positivity breeds positivity. It is a good sign and nothing more than that.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Anecdotal evidence and an appeal to authority. 2-for-1 combo.

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And? It’s not wrong.

Just because it may be those 2 things doesn’t mean it’s not meaningful.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

Deal with low prices? They spent like it was at 140/bbl.
Mathgod. pfft.

I never said that they didn't overspend. I'm not saying that the NDP didn't have its flaws.

But you're being disingenuous if you pretend that historically low oil prices didn't have a LOT to do with the deficit being as large as it was.

Also, what is a government supposed to do when unemployment is high? Slap its citizens with a round of austerity, when they are already suffering as it is?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

No one is claiming that, but positivity breeds positivity. It is a good sign and nothing more than that.

This is an interesting position. Operating on 'good vibes' feels like the antithesis of the conservative position during a time of extreme spending. I'm surprised that anecdotal evidence is being held as a sufficient measure.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I never said that they didn't overspend. I'm not saying that the NDP didn't have its flaws.

But you're being disingenuous if you pretend that historically low oil prices didn't have a LOT to do with the deficit being as large as it was.

Also, what is a government supposed to do when unemployment is high? Slap its citizens with a round of austerity, when they are already suffering as it is?

This is the point I don't see enough people acknowledge. Easier to just ignore it if you don't like the NDP. Were the NDP perfect? No. Previous governments did a great job pissing money away when oil was at an all time high, but that's different!



Sometimes you can't win just because people blame you for everything.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I never said that they didn't overspend. I'm not saying that the NDP didn't have its flaws.

But you're being disingenuous if you pretend that historically low oil prices didn't have a LOT to do with the deficit being as large as it was.

Also, what is a government supposed to do when unemployment is high? Slap its citizens with a round of austerity, when they are already suffering as it is?

You could have been like Saskatchewan. Higher personal income taxes, a pst and significant spending cuts but only a 350 million dollar deficit so the equivalent of about a 1.4 billion dollar deficit.

However i didn’t see too many conservatives wanting a sales tax or NDP wanting cuts like Sask did.

[rubecube]

Just LOL at the hypocrisy at this point.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...f-bc-1.5099880

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[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Hey Rube, just curious, what type of cell phone are you using these days?

[Mr.Coffee]

CBC coverage on the oil industry or this pipeline thing is just unbelievably bad. So inaccurate, so poorly researched, so biased, just awful, partial bull####.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Just LOL at the hypocrisy at this point.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...f-bc-1.5099880

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You just have to laugh at this point. Ha ha ha.....

"This is a pretty low grade gold silver deposit with a 17 year lifespan. And it's going to have large volumes of waste," said Skuce. "You know we're accepting some environmental costs and risks."

[Muta]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Will they... knock our socks off?

Sorry friend! You aren't privy to that information, and will never have the chance to be. But you're more than welcome to chase those projects yourself if you're so inclined.

[Ozy_Flame]

As expected:

Federal Environment Minister vows to impose carbon pricing on Alberta if Kenney scraps provincial levy

Federal Environment Minister Catherine McKenna vowed on Wednesday to impose carbon pricing on Alberta should Jason Kenney’s United Conservatives make good on a campaign pledge to scrap the provincial levy.

“I don’t want to speculate on what’s going to happen, but we’ve been clear that it should not be free to pollute anywhere in the country and we have a backstop should provinces not have a price on pollution,” Ms. McKenna said in a telephone interview from Vancouver.

She said Ottawa hopes to work with Mr. Kenney, although relations between the federal Liberals and conservative governments in other provinces have been antagonistic.

At the end, there is a paragraph about growing environmental concerns around our aging wells:

Mr. Kenney inherits stewardship of an industry that has also struggled with mounting environmental and financial liabilities tied to tens of thousands of aging oil and gas wells and sprawling oil sands tailings pits.

Does Kenney have an overt plan for this?