Malaysia Jet missing-Officials conclude crash in Indian ocean/all lives presumed lost

[Minnie]

Don't disagree at all.

[JonDuke]

Here's the story Minnie:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/St...112/story.html


and here's the passenger manifest:
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/cont...20Manifest.pdf

[RedCoffee]

maybe? I hope?

[JonDuke]

And this, apparently, is the oil slick.

[DoubleK]

Very sad news. I hope they find the plane, in whatever state it's in, to give the families some closure.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by Minnie

A friend said she just read that 2 stolen passports (one Australian, one Italian) were used to board the flight. I'm off to google to see if I can find anything about that.

I thought there was a system to notify all embassies of stolen and lost passports in order to prevent terrorists and drug dealers from using them

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I was always told that the high majority (80%) of crashes happen within the first 3 or last 8 minutes of a flight.

I'm going out on a limb here to say I think it's 100% that all crashes happen in the last second of the flight.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I'm going out on a limb here to say I think it's 100% that all crashes happen in the last second of the flight.

Horrific airline tragedy, hundreds dead, CP comedians show up with their weekend material...yay?

[HPLovecraft]

Two seemingly unrelated people had their passports lost or stolen while in Thailand a year+ ago, and then both passports, and whoever then possessed them, end up on an airplane that loses all communications out of the blue in the "safest" part of the flight at cruising altitude.

Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Edit: In related news, this image kind of disgusts me:

[nik-]

Seriously, I understand it's their job, and it sells ... but jesus christ guys.

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Horrific airline tragedy, hundreds dead, CP comedians show up with their weekend material...yay?

Take a freaking pill.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I was just commenting on how he should have worded it. Sheesh.

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Take a freaking pill.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I was just commenting on how he should have worded it. Sheesh.

then you clearly missed the point of what Jonduke was saying.

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I was always told that the high majority (80%) of crashes happen within the first 3 or last 8 minutes of a flight.

Meaning: crashes normally happen in first 3 minutes (takeoff) or crashes happen in last 8 minutes (landing) and usually the time in air between is the safest part

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Two seemingly unrelated people had their passports lost or stolen while in Thailand a year+ ago, and then both passports, and whoever then possessed them, end up on an airplane that loses all communications out of the blue in the "safest" part of the flight at cruising altitude.

Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Edit: In related news, this image kind of disgusts me:

Another possibility is a collision with a smaller aircraft at that altitude

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Take a freaking pill.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I was just commenting on how he should have worded it. Sheesh.

Well, if you weren't trying to be funny, then you missed his point. He was explaining when in the flight crashes typically happen, aka just after take off or just before landing.

Judging by how obvious his point is, though and how irrelevant it is that crashes technically happen at the last second, I'd imagine you went for a joke, realized it pissed everyone off and then tried to pretend it wasn't.

[trackercowe]

What's the one guy with the camcorder doing? Does he even work for the media, or is he just some dickhead filming her devastation for kicks?

[ken0042]

I was watching an episode of Mayday recently; I believe it was an Air France flight that had gone missing mid-flight as well. I seem to recall their sudden emergency also cut their power; so while the crew struggled to recover the aircraft they were also unable to use radio communications.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I was watching an episode of Mayday recently; I believe it was an Air France flight that had gone missing mid-flight as well. I seem to recall their sudden emergency also cut their power; so while the crew struggled to recover the aircraft they were also unable to use radio communications.

IF you're talking about AF447 (the one that disappeared in 2009), the issue was that they (the pilots) had no idea they were in a stall until about 35 seconds before impact. None of the pilots thought they were going to die, and everything seemed to be working in decent shape until it was too late.

They gently fell out of the sky over a 3 minute period with no thoughts as to their danger. That's why there wasn't any radio communication.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Another possibility is a collision with a smaller aircraft at that altitude

I don't think many non-commercial, non-military aircraft fly at 35,000 feet, and if it was a collision with a commercial or military aircraft, or even some swanky business jet, it'd be almost immediately noticed, I would imagine, but I'm no aviation pro, so maybe.

Originally Posted by ken0042

I was watching an episode of Mayday recently; I believe it was an Air France flight that had gone missing mid-flight as well. I seem to recall their sudden emergency also cut their power; so while the crew struggled to recover the aircraft they were also unable to use radio communications.

I read an article about the capabilities of the 777-200, and there's backup power on the aircraft, so even if power was cut somehow, communications would still have been able to get out. Everything I read points to how bizarre it is that contact was lost all of the sudden. Even if the plane had some sort of electronic mishap, or the engines cut out, or anything, from 35,000 feet up, there'd be plenty of time to communicate with someone, according to the people that know what they're talking about.

Here it is. Interesting stuff: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/travel...iner-analysis/

Originally Posted by CNN

Greg Feith, a former investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) in the United States, suggested the pilots should have been able to report in, even if power on the aircraft had failed.

"The airplane by certification has to have battery back-up power -- they still have to be able to utilize certain flight instruments and communication tools to complete the flight safely.

"So you could lose all the generators, you could have both engines out, but the battery back-up -- which will only work for a certain time -- is intended for emergency situations."

Feith also pointed to the possibility of an issue with the pressurization of the aircraft.

"If you have a high-altitude pressurization problem, catastrophic decompression, the time of useful consciousness (the time a pilot can operate with an insufficient oxygen supply) in the 30,000-40,000-feet range is a matter of seconds."

[Boblobla]

I thought it was funny Puxlut. Ignore these haters.

[MRCboicgy]

Couple of good places to follow for updates, in case you are not a general avgeek

www.avherald.com
www.airchive.com