12-14-2018, 03:41 PM
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#81
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Karl
No.
It's because Janko and Bennett are more offensively talented and better at creating their own offense than Ryan and they're also not that much worse defensively than Ryan either.
And Ryan does not have more points than they, he has the same amount of points that they have.
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That's not established at all. That's your guess. Peters thinks differently, and I think you can make the "sewers offensive chances" argument about them all.
I see that they do have the same amount of points, that's correct. I was taking that from some other post. However, last season Ryan had 38 points and the year before he had 29 (in 67 games).
So what objective facts can you cite that says that Bennett and especially Jankowski have more offence than Ryan?
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12-14-2018, 03:42 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
That's not established at all. That's your guess. Peters thinks differently, and I think you can make the "sewers offensive chances" argument about them all.
I see that they do have the same amount of points, that's correct. I was taking that from some other post. However, last season Ryan had 38 points and the year before he had 29 (in 67 games).
So what objective facts can you cite that says that Bennett and especially Jankowski have more offence than Ryan?
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Points per 60 minutes. Both Janko And Bennett have more points per 60 minutes than Ryan this year.
And FWIW, Ryan is 3rd worst on the team in terms of giving the puck away (3rd in giveaways per 60 min for the Flames).
Last edited by Karl; 12-14-2018 at 03:51 PM.
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12-14-2018, 03:42 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phagoof
i would of responded "Wakey-wakey to you too, Mr. 6 points."
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Would have.
Would've.
I would have responded.
I would've responded.
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12-14-2018, 03:42 PM
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#84
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
No.
It's because Janko and Bennett are more offensively talented and better at creating their own offense than Ryan and they're also not that much worse defensively than Ryan either...
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I would agree about Bennett, but Jankowski is actually quite a bit worse defensively than Ryan.
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12-14-2018, 03:49 PM
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#85
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
That's not established at all. That's your guess. Peters thinks differently, and I think you can make the "sewers offensive chances" argument about them all.
I see that they do have the same amount of points, that's correct. I was taking that from some other post. However, last season Ryan had 38 points and the year before he had 29 (in 67 games).
So what objective facts can you cite that says that Bennett and especially Jankowski have more offence than Ryan?
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Do we have stats for how many times a player actually is the last on his team to touch the puck before the other team gains possession?
My eye test says its Ryan but I would be curious to see the stats.
And not counting after a shot attempt or high danger pass attempt or other events like that.
Im genuinely curious to see.
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12-14-2018, 04:01 PM
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#86
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder
Do we have stats for how many times a player actually is the last on his team to touch the puck before the other team gains possession?
My eye test says its Ryan but I would be curious to see the stats.
And not counting after a shot attempt or high danger pass attempt or other events like that.
Im genuinely curious to see.
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Giveaways is probably the closest thing to what you're looking for. "GV" in the turnovers section. Ryan is 6th, but the 5 in front do play significantly more than he does.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/team/calgary-flames/statistics
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12-14-2018, 04:25 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
*sigh*
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Instead've that, what would you suggest he type?
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12-14-2018, 04:28 PM
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#88
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Originally Posted by the2bears
Instead've that, what would you suggest he type?
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It's a perfectly cromulent word.
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12-14-2018, 04:44 PM
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#90
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
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Take that Gretzky
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12-14-2018, 05:05 PM
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#91
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Lifetime Suspension
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The grammar Nazi is strong on this site.
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12-14-2018, 05:20 PM
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#92
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#1 Goaltender
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Peters likes to have both a right and left handed centre on the ice for each PP unit. Ryan and Lindholm are the RH centers on the team, so one will be on each PP unit.
Ryan isn't coming off the 2nd PP unit, so there isn't much point in people complaining about it. And he wins a lot of faceoffs, so at least the 2nd unit is starting with the puck most of the time.
My PP complaint is the use of Neal. Really wish they would try him on the first PP unit, or tailor the 2nd unit so that he is the trigger man more often. Getting Neal going could be what takes this team from good to great.
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12-14-2018, 05:21 PM
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#93
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
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Where’s your McDavid now?
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12-14-2018, 06:44 PM
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#94
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Phagoof
The grammar Nazi is strong on this site.
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Your not wrong, their pretty bad hear.
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12-14-2018, 07:03 PM
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#95
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Originally Posted by Phagoof
The grammar Nazi is strong on this site.
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One day you might write something that matters. Like something that could land you a job.
English is my second language. Surely you can do better than me.
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12-14-2018, 07:16 PM
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#96
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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This is great news
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12-14-2018, 08:15 PM
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#97
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Itse
Agreed, not OBVIOUSLY better choice. But I think there is a clear case to be made.
Jankowski and Ryan have the same 4+6 points, but Ryan has had more ice time per game, played more games and played way more on the PP, which accounts for 4 of his points. Jankowskis points are all 5v5 or SH.
To put it another way, Jankowski has put up a point about every 35 minutes of 5v5, while Ryan puts up a 5v5 point about every 78 minutes.
That's a pretty big statistical difference, on top of the eye test. Plus the 2nd PP unit has struggled all season, so changing things up seems pretty rational.
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Plus Janko generates good scoring chances while shorthanded. That seems to be where he really shows his skill and potential. Without looking at the advanced stats, I don't know that the same can be said of Ryan.
As for PP2, a case could be made that Jankowski may not be worse than Ryan (which isn't to say he's "obviously a better choice"). There's not much harm in trying.
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12-14-2018, 08:56 PM
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#98
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Red Deer
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Originally Posted by Shazam
One day you might write something that matters. Like something that could land you a job.
English is my second language. Surely you can do better than me.
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It was in.
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12-14-2018, 09:04 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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So glad Backlund is on the trip, regardless if he plays or not.
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12-14-2018, 09:43 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
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I can understand why Peters is showing patience with Ryan. He knows him well, and feels he is capable of generating offence on the 2nd line and the 2nd unit PP.
With that being said, I agree that he is not getting it done offensively. I am 100% in agreement that Jankowski should be given a look on both those spots for a stretch and see how he does with it. He MAY actually be an improvement. You don't know until you try, and as of right now, Ryan hasn't been good enough to hold those spots. If Jankowski doesn't work for a stretch, then you change things up again.
Peters is famous for putting his line-up in a blender. The top line has remained consistent. I think we can all (for the most part anyway) agree to that decision. I do think that there should be a bit more change on that 2nd unit PP as well as the fill-in for Backlund. You simply don't know for sure until you do try, and I feel Ryan has had enough time to see if it is working or not.
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