12-14-2018, 01:04 PM
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#3541
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Jacks
If I remember correctly it was a "family advisor", or something like that, who informed the Flames that he wasn't going to sign. It wasn't the agent or Fox himself...
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Because of antiquated NCAA regulations college players are not permitted to employ "player agents." For this reason, their agents assume a role and title as "family advisor." Treliving was always talking to Fox's agent.
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12-14-2018, 01:06 PM
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#3542
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Jacks
If I remember correctly it was a "family advisor", or something like that, who informed the Flames that he wasn't going to sign. It wasn't the agent or Fox himself.
In other news Ferland is #8 on the TSN trade bait board for what that is worth.
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Yeah....NCAA players aren't allowed "agents" or they lose their eligibility.
So they hire someone (usually a lawyer) to advise them and speak on their behalf.
It's so farcical.
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12-14-2018, 01:09 PM
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#3543
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
...In other news Ferland is #8 on the TSN trade bait board for what that is worth.
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If Carolina ends up well out of the playoff picture at the TD, how amazing would it be for the Flames to pick up Micheal Ferland?
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12-14-2018, 01:35 PM
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#3544
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
If Carolina ends up well out of the playoff picture at the TD, how amazing would it be for the Flames to pick up Micheal Ferland?
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pick him up?
Like from the side of the road?
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12-14-2018, 02:24 PM
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#3545
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
If I remember correctly it was a "family advisor", or something like that, who informed the Flames that he wasn't going to sign. It wasn't the agent or Fox himself.
In other news Ferland is #8 on the TSN trade bait board for what that is worth.
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Those are pretty much the same thing for an NCAA athlete. They're not allowed agents, so they have advisors.
edit: of course I'm so very late to the game.
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12-14-2018, 02:59 PM
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#3546
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Franchise Player
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Right, I should know that about the agent, NCAA needs to get with the times. Anyway, I'm almost positive that the story was that the family advisor had spoke to Treliving, whether that was a real agent or crazy uncle Bob remains a mystery.
2nd rounder for Ferland, get er done.
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12-14-2018, 03:10 PM
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#3547
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
Right, I should know that about the agent, NCAA needs to get with the times. Anyway, I'm almost positive that the story was that the family advisor had spoke to Treliving, whether that was a real agent or crazy uncle Bob remains a mystery...
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No, I don't think there is any mystery here.
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12-14-2018, 03:45 PM
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#3549
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Lighten up, you don't have to be a critic all the time  |
Dude. It's in the name.
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12-14-2018, 04:08 PM
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#3550
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
If Carolina ends up well out of the playoff picture at the TD, how amazing would it be for the Flames to pick up Micheal Ferland?
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Personally, I don't think it would be amazing at all. I don't think we need more depth forwards for a playoff run especially considering he would probably cost a second round pick at minimum.
Ferly had some great runs on the top line, but he was mostly invisible when playing on the third line (minus the odd game or the Vancouver series).
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12-15-2018, 08:38 AM
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#3551
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Calgary
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No to Ferland
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12-15-2018, 08:44 AM
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#3552
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Yes to Ferland. ...as a rental. He's got the jam the 3rd or 4th line could use. Assuming Flames are in a playoff position, the depth is nice.
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12-15-2018, 08:59 AM
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#3553
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I doubt Treliving was lying. Given the timing of his comments, it seems rather obvious why he volunteered what he did. And also not surprised Fox or the family representative were perhaps a little miffed that those comments were made.
But yeah he didn’t sign after his sophomore year so no doubt there’s risk. I am certain the Flames believed there was some risk with Gaudreau too.
But what’s not so great is inventing reasons as to why he didn’t sign (doesn’t like Canada, sense of entitlement) that reflect negatively on him. There’s no need for that IMO absent some factual information.
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That's not fair.
Treliving more than hinted that there was a problem in getting the player signed.
Nobody is inventing anything. We are speculating as to what the reason was, without certainty.
It's a discussion forum, seems to me that's right up the alley of what we should be doing.
Could be a crowded blueline. Could be he insisted on a spot as a promise. Could be a city that is too for North, to far West. Maybe he and Gaudreau don't get along. Maybe he hates cowboy boots.
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12-15-2018, 09:41 AM
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#3554
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ignite
Yes to Ferland. ...as a rental. He's got the jam the 3rd or 4th line could use. Assuming Flames are in a playoff position, the depth is nice.
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Playoffs is a different game. The Flames are 31st in the league in hits. 15 hits/game.
In the playoffs the poster child for the small skilled team - Tampa had 23 hits /game in the playoffs after a regular season of 21 hits/game
The Flame have 4 regular players Hathaway, Bennett, Hanifin and Tkachuk that are averaging more than 1 hit a game.
Washington had 4 players for the whole playoff run making more than 3 hits/game ... all bigger and meaner than any of the Flames big 4 hitters.
Any first round matchup for the Flames will have 2-3 guys that will be willing and able to smash the Flames at each and every opportunity.
The other team will be looking at the Flames in exactly the same way the Flames looked at the 2015 Canucks.
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12-15-2018, 09:49 AM
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#3555
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Playoffs is a different game. The Flames are 31st in the league in hits. 15 hits/game.
In the playoffs the poster child for the small skilled team - Tampa had 23 hits /game in the playoffs after a regular season of 21 hits/game
The Flame have 4 regular players Hathaway, Bennett, Hanifin and Tkachuk that are averaging more than 1 hit a game.
Washington had 4 players for the whole playoff run making more than 3 hits/game ... all bigger and meaner than any of the Flames big 4 hitters.
Any first round matchup for the Flames will have 2-3 guys that will be willing and able to smash the Flames at each and every opportunity.
The other team will be looking at the Flames in exactly the same way the Flames looked at the 2015 Canucks.
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The last Chicago team won the cup with all skill and were dead last in hits.
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12-15-2018, 09:57 AM
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#3556
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Playoffs is a different game. The Flames are 31st in the league in hits. 15 hits/game...
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It’s because they have the puck the whole damn time.
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12-15-2018, 10:09 AM
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#3557
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy
The last Chicago team won the cup with all skill and were dead last in hits.
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29.3 hits / game in the playoffs after 16 hits/game in the regular season,
In the playoffs Bickell had 5.7 hits /game. Seabrook 3.1 ... who do you see on the Flames roster that would step up for the playoffs?
5 other regulars with more than 2 hits/game.
They were also playing against softer teams in the playoffs with Minnesota actually 30th in regular season hits ... Chicago was 29th, Nashville 24th , tampa 22nd in regular season hits and the toughest team Anaheim was 10th in regular season hits/game.
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12-15-2018, 10:13 AM
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#3558
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Franchise Player
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Okay, so Tampa and Chicago both hit more in the playoffs.
And it is safe to assume that the Flames would too (it is the nature of playoff hockey).
So that does nothing for your attempted argument that they should acquire Ferland because they need to hit more.
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12-15-2018, 10:17 AM
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#3559
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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I'm not sure why so many people still want to talk about Fox? As far as I'm concerned, he could turn into an all-star defenseman and we'll still have walked away as the "winners," (not that there needs to be a winner and a loser) with the way Lindholm and Hanifin are playing, and the contacts they are on.
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k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
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12-15-2018, 10:30 AM
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#3560
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
29.3 hits / game in the playoffs after 16 hits/game in the regular season,
In the playoffs Bickell had 5.7 hits /game. Seabrook 3.1 ... who do you see on the Flames roster that would step up for the playoffs?
5 other regulars with more than 2 hits/game.
They were also playing against softer teams in the playoffs with Minnesota actually 30th in regular season hits ... Chicago was 29th, Nashville 24th , tampa 22nd in regular season hits and the toughest team Anaheim was 10th in regular season hits/game.
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So your premise is that all the other teams amp up their hitting in the playoffs but the flames for some strange reason won’t?
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