Sean Monahan vs Jarome Iginla - Heading into their 24-year old seasons

[OutOfTheCube]

I think a good comparison for Monahan is Patrick Marleau. He's awesome, but he's boring. He looks boring, he acts boring, he doesn't do much flashy or overly exciting, but he's an extremely effective and productive player. He will probably similarly play 1500+ games in the league and be well liked but underrated throughout.

[red sky]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think a good comparison for Monahan is Patrick Marleau. He's awesome, but he's boring. He looks boring, he acts boring, he doesn't do much flashy or overly exciting, but he's an extremely effective and productive player. He will probably similarly play 1500+ games in the league and be well liked but underrated throughout.

Good comparison aside from the speed element.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Iggy played with Bums... Imagine prime Iggy and Prime gaudreau. Iggy was also during this point in his career the best player on the planet(24-26 or 27). He was the complete package.

Love Monny and think hes a hell of a good player but Iggy was borderline generational player status which Monny will never be.

We had one! Savard. Gaudreau will surpass him for sure but man was he an awesome playmaker. Puts Tanguay to shame and we gave him away for a Russian hacker.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Iggy played with Bums... Imagine prime Iggy and Prime gaudreau. Iggy was also during this point in his career the best player on the planet(24-26 or 27). He was the complete package.

Love Monny and think hes a hell of a good player but Iggy was borderline generational player status which Monny will never be.

Originally Posted by redforever

Agree, Monahan is great and think he does not get enough love at times.

But Iggy definitely was generational. Monahan is not...that is not a knock against him as very few players are generational.

Iginla was NOT a generational talent. A generational talent comes along once in a generation. Gretzky and Orr and Lemieux were generational talents.

McDavid and Crosby can be debated as borderline generational talents (I don't think either are). And Iginla certainly was not a generational talent.

Such a ridiculously overused title.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Iginla was NOT a generational talent. A generational talent comes along once in a generation. Gretzky and Orr and Lemieux were generational talents.

McDavid and Crosby can be debated as borderline generational talents (I don't think either are). And Iginla certainly was not a generational talent.

Such a ridiculously overused title.

I agree that McDavid has a long way to go before deserving the label, but Crosby? What more would aid need to do for you to accept that? I think both him and ovie deserve the generational label though Crosby more so. Hes literally won everything at every level. Hes an incredibly well rounded player. Definitely deserving. Ovie has had ups and downs but has taken the cup now and all things considered is in conversation for best goal scorer of all time. Both generatioal.

Iginla I would say isnt but is very close. He was definitely snubbed by the NHL top 100 list, on which he deserves to reside. Generational I would say is a stretch.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I agree that McDavid has a long way to go before deserving the label, but Crosby? What more would aid need to do for you to accept that? I think both him and ovie deserve the generational label though Crosby more so. Hes literally won everything at every level. Hes an incredibly well rounded player. Definitely deserving. Ovie has had ups and downs but has taken the cup now and all things considered is in conversation for best goal scorer of all time. Both generatioal.

Iginla I would say isnt but is very close. He was definitely snubbed by the NHL top 100 list, on which he deserves to reside. Generational I would say is a stretch.

You're not generational if there are two of you that are comparable. That's the point.

Generational means you're that one player that comes along every generation or so, that is simply not comparable to their peers.

[PepsiFree]

Ah, the generational discussion. Much like the “site” discussion, I’m sure we’ll see a swift and tidy end to this where everyone settles on a single definition.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're not generational if there are two of you that are comparable. That's the point.

Generational means you're that one player that comes along every generation or so, that is simply not comparable to their peers.

McDavid is the very picture of generational talent. Even by your definition. He’s the best player on the ice in any game on talent alone.

If he isn’t a generational talent I’ve never seen one in my lifetime.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're not generational if there are two of you that are comparable. That's the point.

Generational means you're that one player that comes along every generation or so, that is simply not comparable to their peers.

But you just said Gretzky and Lemieux were generational talents

[Mattman]

Geez could you imagine if Iginla was about 10 years younger.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Iginla

That would be a team to win cups.

[868904]

Six straight 20 goal seasons for Mony, he’s like a young James Neal!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Geez could you imagine if Iginla was about 10 years younger.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Iginla

That would be a team to win cups.

Add Miikka

[Beninho]

McDavid has generational speed, I don’t think he’s generational at anything else. Just my opinion. Also he’s not won a cup so you can’t call him generational until he does imo

Crosby is a serial winner, call it luck or fortune but he just wins. He’s hard to play against all over the ice and can beat you in a ton of different ways. I haven’t seen a player like him in my lifetime at least. He’s very much generational.

When I look at the term generational to me it means a player who is in a completely different league to his contemporaries. In order to prove this you need to win cups, end of story. I can’t deem a player generational without them having won a cup and being a major part of it.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Beninho

McDavid has generational speed, I don’t think he’s generational at anything else. Just my opinion. Also he’s not won a cup so you can’t call him generational until he does imo

Crosby is a serial winner, call it luck or fortune but he just wins. He’s hard to play against all over the ice and can beat you in a ton of different ways. I haven’t seen a player like him in my lifetime at least. He’s very much generational.

When I look at the term generational to me it means a player who is in a completely different league to his contemporaries. In order to prove this you need to win cups, end of story. I can’t deem a player generational without them having won a cup and being a major part of it.

It's not a 6 team league anymore. Many great and generational players will never win a championship.

[the_only_turek_fan]

And McDavid is more than just speed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

And McDavid is more than just speed.

He's definitely more than speed but take away his speed and I don't see a guy that's any more skilled at passing or shooting the puck than a lot of the top forwards in the league. It's his rare speed that sets him apart as he gets the majority of his opportunities based on blowing by players like they are standing still. I've never seen another player able to accelerate so quickly.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Geez could you imagine if Iginla was about 10 years younger.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Iginla

That would be a team to win cups.

I just wish there was one year where Iginla could've played with Monahan. I think that was sorta possible.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's definitely more than speed but take away his speed and I don't see a guy that's any more skilled at passing or shooting the puck than a lot of the top forwards in the league. It's his rare speed that sets him apart as he gets the majority of his opportunities based on blowing by players like they are standing still. I've never seen another player able to accelerate so quickly.

I would add: his ability to make plays (stick handle, pass, etc.) at top speed. Very few players (Bure, etc) can do that at their top speed, let alone McDavid's top speed (which is a whole extra gear.)

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're not generational if there are two of you that are comparable. That's the point.



Generational means you're that one player that comes along every generation or so, that is simply not comparable to their peers.

Gretz and Mario were both generational at the same time, so your argument holds no water.

Sid is generational. His points per game in the modern era set him apart. Likely the most complete player who ever lived.

Ovi is generational. No one scores goals like he does. I would argue he’s already the greatest goal scorer who ever lived when you look at average goals scored in this era vs past eras.

Lidstrom was a generational defense man. No one could do what he did since Bourque and Orr.

So there you have it. There were some very exceptional elite players over the years like Sakic, Federov, Yzerman, Malkin, Iginla, et al, but these guys aren’t quite generational. McIcetime is making a case for himself, but he has much to prove.

Monahan doesn’t enter this conversation yet, but he’s a damn fine centerman and he’s a player than you win with. So I’m happy to compare his counting stats to Iggy.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think a good comparison for Monahan is Patrick Marleau. He's awesome, but he's boring. He looks boring, he acts boring, he doesn't do much flashy or overly exciting, but he's an extremely effective and productive player. He will probably similarly play 1500+ games in the league and be well liked but underrated throughout.

I hate this comparison. nothing wrong with the post, i just hate marleau. was never there when you needed him and the game was on the line. Monahan seems to score big goals. I think dont marleau was underated, i think he was rated justly. If Monahan can show he can do it in the playoffs in tighter checking more physical games, then no doubt in my mind monahan is a few classes above the Aneroid assasin.