04-18-2019, 12:01 PM
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#41
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Originally Posted by Bingo
In the series ... High Danger counts
Gaudreau 8-17
Monahan 9-15
Lindholm 6-14
Hanifin 7-19
Hamonic 6-18
Jankowski 3-9
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It's shocking really. I don't believe the top line isn't trying. And yeah they haven't been great since the ASG, but they haven't been getting owned like this. Some of this is has to be game planning by the Avs. And either Flames don't have an answer, or players simply unable to make adjustments. And they're not playing against Mackinnon much, this against the Avs supposed weaker depth.
Janko - he might not be cut out for playoff hockey. At such an important position.
Hamonic and Hanifin - they might be drawing the Mackinnon line a lot. Hanifin either looks slow or simply playing on his heels.
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04-18-2019, 12:03 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
Monahan played tonight?
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No, he's been out of the lineup for a couple of months now.
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04-18-2019, 12:06 PM
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#43
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
the first number is for and the last number is against?
Just awful.
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You got it.
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04-18-2019, 01:42 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
It's shocking really. I don't believe the top line isn't trying. And yeah they haven't been great since the ASG, but they haven't been getting owned like this. Some of this is has to be game planning by the Avs. And either Flames don't have an answer, or players simply unable to make adjustments. And they're not playing against Mackinnon much, this against the Avs supposed weaker depth.
Janko - he might not be cut out for playoff hockey. At such an important position.
Hamonic and Hanifin - they might be drawing the Mackinnon line a lot. Hanifin either looks slow or simply playing on his heels.
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I think they are also playing with the Flames top line a lot and thus are getting little help defensively. Monahan isn't playing well in his own zone and Gaudreau is not even there.
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04-18-2019, 01:43 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
In the series ... High Danger counts
Gaudreau 8-17
Monahan 9-15
Lindholm 6-14
Hanifin 7-19
Hamonic 6-18
Jankowski 3-9
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What is it for the others? Is the rest of the third line as bad? How are Gio/Brodie?
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04-18-2019, 01:54 PM
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#46
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
What is it for the others? Is the rest of the third line as bad? How are Gio/Brodie?
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Code:
Player HDCF HDCA
A Mangiapane 9 7
Derek#Ryan 6 5
Elias#Lindholm 6 14
G Hathaway 6 6
James#Neal 6 12
J Gaudreau 8 17
Juuso#Valimaki 5 2
Mark#Giordano 16 15
Mark#Jankowski 3 9
M Tkachuk 12 7
Michael#Frolik 13 11
Mikael#Backlund 15 15
Noah#Hanifin 7 19
O Fantenberg 4 6
R Andersson 10 11
Sam#Bennett 5 11
Sean#Monahan 9 15
TJ#Brodie 14 15
Travis#Hamonic 6 18
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04-18-2019, 01:56 PM
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#47
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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"And the fourth line shall become the first line, and the rookie shall become the veteran. "
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04-18-2019, 05:53 PM
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#48
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
With the first and third lines broken I think it's time Bill Peters changes things up. I honestly get why he hasn't to date, the Flames aren't going anywhere in these playoffs if they can't get their top line going. But it hasn't happened so it has to be time to go with who's going.
Right now they have the 3M and fourth lines going ... leave them.
They have two players going that are on lines that aren't ... Bennett / Lindholm. Combined them and add Gaudreau, move Monahan to the third line and maybe sit Jankowski for Czarnik or Dube.
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04-18-2019, 06:16 PM
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#49
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
Bennett doesn't have sufficient vision to play with Johnny. Johnny doesn't have sufficient intensity to play with Bennett. They're just not good linemates for each other
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Gaudreau isn't even seeing plays. All he's doing is shooting from bad angles and low percentage shots. If that's all he's going to do, then maybe putting Bennett with him and telling him to go to the net for rebounds is the way to go.
We know Monahan won't be standing in front of the net looking for rebounds.
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04-18-2019, 07:09 PM
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#50
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Well those numbers tell you the Hanifin/Hamonic pairing has been an outright disaster. Can only assume they’re seeing a lot of Mackinnon. That’s awful.
And Bennett’s numbers aren’t so hot either.
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04-18-2019, 07:19 PM
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#51
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First Line Centre
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At least the 3M line is decent with the high danger chances for and against, considering the task at hand of going up against the big line from the Avs. That’s why, as much as Backlund has an off night like last evening, I am not as critical. Especially since you can see how hard Backs works and competes. Frolik for the most part is giving as well, the talent just isn’t up their with the work ethic for him.
Chunky needs to step up. But he also has the compete level.
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04-18-2019, 07:48 PM
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#52
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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The insertion of Valimaki was needed and long overdue in this series.
I watched him dressed and take the full warmup before game 3 and was surprised and disappointed that Peters didn't pull the trigger then, obviously not knowing how bad the rest of the team played, it might have been a good thing.
Would like to see Peters being a little more aggressive in the lineup changes in game 5.
Insert Stone on D and sit Brodie
Czarnik, Dube, and Lazar in
Neal, Janko, and Monahan out
Need some fresh legs and less playing scared.
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04-18-2019, 07:52 PM
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#53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Code:
Player HDCF HDCA
A Mangiapane 9 7
Derek#Ryan 6 5
Elias#Lindholm 6 14
G Hathaway 6 6
James#Neal 6 12
J Gaudreau 8 17
Juuso#Valimaki 5 2
Mark#Giordano 16 15
Mark#Jankowski 3 9
M Tkachuk 12 7
Michael#Frolik 13 11
Mikael#Backlund 15 15
Noah#Hanifin 7 19
O Fantenberg 4 6
R Andersson 10 11
Sam#Bennett 5 11
Sean#Monahan 9 15
TJ#Brodie 14 15
Travis#Hamonic 6 18
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So the favourite whipping boy Brodie is almost average LOL. Backhand is average.
One thing is clear, our best players have not been our best players.
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04-18-2019, 07:53 PM
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#54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Well those numbers tell you the Hanifin/Hamonic pairing has been an outright disaster. Can only assume they’re seeing a lot of Mackinnon. That’s awful.
And Bennett’s numbers aren’t so hot either.
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Yet Backlund is .500?
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04-18-2019, 07:54 PM
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#55
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Lazar is not coming in for Mony don't be ridiculous
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04-18-2019, 07:58 PM
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#56
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Lazar is not coming in for Mony don't be ridiculous
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He's hurt and has been completely ineffective the last 2 games in Colorado.
Choose a different Black Ace, but Peters needs to be more bold in his personnel moves or lack thereof.
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04-18-2019, 08:06 PM
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#57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamca
He's hurt and has been completely ineffective the last 2 games in Colorado.
Choose a different Black Ace, but Peters needs to be more bold in his personnel moves or lack thereof.
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There’s bold and then there’s reckless
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04-18-2019, 08:12 PM
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#58
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
There’s bold and then there’s reckless
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What have you seen from Neal, Janko, or Monahan in this series that makes you think rolling with the same group of forwards is the right strategy for game 5?
Just curious...
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04-18-2019, 08:19 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamca
What have you seen from Neal, Janko, or Monahan in this series that makes you think rolling with the same group of forwards is the right strategy for game 5?
Just curious...
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At least in the case of Monahan, he nearly had the GwG in game 2 so there's that.
His struggles are real but he's still the best goalscorer on the team. Just wish we gave him Iginla type responsibilities instead of Toews type responsibilities.
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04-18-2019, 08:24 PM
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#60
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
At least in the case of Monahan, he nearly had the GwG in game 2 so there's that.
His struggles are real but he's still the best goalscorer on the team. Just wish we gave him Iginla type responsibilities instead of Toews type responsibilities.
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I'm not wanting to bicker with CPers, but that's at least 3 folks that are defending Monahan and wanting to keep him in the lineup. In the spirit of this...
Why would you not sit Neal and Janko at this point?
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