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[activeStick]

Yeah there's no way she'd beat Trump. The majority of the voters who don't vote Independent or Democrat are voting for Trump.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yeah there's no way she'd beat Trump. The majority of the voters who don't vote Independent or Democrat are voting for Trump.

The only ones who could possibly beat Trump for the nomination would be guys like DeSantis or Abbott. Those two are equally as deplorable and full-blown MAGA as Trump, and they're both popular with the hardcore GQP base.

[SutterBrother]

The last election Trump lost the house, senate, and presidency. It was a massacre.

I hope he runs again. Most people with half a brain hate him so much it’ll drive them to the polls like no other issue.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I think you're being optimistic. I think if he runs again, people will simply assume he'll lose again and won't be as motivated to vote as last time. And there isn't a lot of margin for error, either in votes or in Republican state officials' potential willingness to attempt a coup by rigging the outcome as best they can.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ser-than-2016/

Plus, I mean, this isn't even factoring in the fact that Biden started with a disapproval rating of like 34% in Jan 2021 and it's all the way up to about 54% disapproval now.

It's a possibility that is very much worth being worried about.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Yeah, if Biden runs again and it's against Trump? It's a slam dunk Trump win.

Biden's presidency is akin to a weaker version of the Carter presidency. Brutal economics combined with weak policies and leadership. It's not a mark on Biden the man, but his presidency has not gone particularly well. Trump will win back just enough Biden voters to take it without much effort.

Now, if someone other than Biden were to run, we have a different conversation.

[activeStick]

Who's exciting though from the Dems? Klobacher isn't it. Buttigieg seems bright, so maybe. Harris would be terrible. Bernie's people have said he hasn't ruled it out yet, but the whole socialist thing would really drive the vote out for the other side. Warren is terrible too. Dems are in dire need for some energy. AOC would be good I think, but she needs a few years still.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yeah, if Biden runs again and it's against Trump? It's a slam dunk Trump win.

Biden's presidency is akin to a weaker version of the Carter presidency. Brutal economics combined with weak policies and leadership. It's not a mark on Biden the man, but his presidency has not gone particularly well. Trump will win back just enough Biden voters to take it without much effort.

Now, if someone other than Biden were to run, we have a different conversation.

The Dems need someone younger and more exciting to run. Someone who can actually inspire people the way that Obama did. In 2020 people weren't necessarily voting for Biden. They were essentially voting to oust Trump and save the country. People are gonna have to do that again in 2024, but you need to give them something hopeful and inspiring to vote for.

This upcoming election is even more important IMO. If the blue team can't find a way to get their voters to the polls in droves, I'd say it's pretty much curtains for American democracy as we know it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Who's exciting though from the Dems? Klobacher isn't it. Buttigieg seems bright, so maybe. Harris would be terrible. Bernie's people have said he hasn't ruled it out yet, but the whole socialist thing would really drive the vote out for the other side. Warren is terrible too. Dems are in dire need for some energy. AOC would be good I think, but she needs a few years still.

If you think Bernie and Warren are bad, if you run AOC you give Republicans the easiest win they've ever had. She's a fighter for sure, but she's an easy target in terms of policy. She can only win in the bluest of districts.

You need a modern version of Lyndon Johnson. A democrat from a red state that is tough and has experience. Problem is, I can't think of a single person that fits that description.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If you think Bernie and Warren are bad, if you run AOC you give Republicans the easiest win they've ever had. She's a fighter for sure, but she's an easy target in terms of policy. She can only win in the bluest of districts.

You need a modern version of Lyndon Johnson. A democrat from a red state that is tough and has experience. Problem is, I can't think of a single person that fits that description.

Yeah AOC would be an epic disaster, Tim Ryan of Ohio might be a possibility, sharp, likeable and he even has a little Trumpism in him regarding China for the on the fence voters.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If you think Bernie and Warren are bad, if you run AOC you give Republicans the easiest win they've ever had. She's a fighter for sure, but she's an easy target in terms of policy. She can only win in the bluest of districts.

You need a modern version of Lyndon Johnson. A democrat from a red state that is tough and has experience. Problem is, I can't think of a single person that fits that description.

I wonder if Yang or Booker would throw there hats in.

Really hard to unseat a sitting president for the nomination though. Biden needs to do the right thing and not run again. Nothing against him personally, but they are going to need a stronger candidate to avoid Trump.

[afc wimbledon]

Michelle Obama would be the dream ticket, kick the living #### out of the GOP, I'm hoping she could be persuaded that she has a duty to finally end Trump

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Elections hardly matter at this point; the entire system is ####ed because of GOP rigging the last however many years. Playing nice, moving past criminal behaviour because of "healing and moving" on hasn't done them any favours. Nixon would've been saved if he had Fox News.

[activeStick]

Not sure where else to put this, but kudos to Fox News (yeah, Fox News) for producing and airing this segment. Quite surprised.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/63075838...#sp=show-clips

Read that some of the idiots on the internet like Ben Shapiro went crazy when they saw it.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Michelle Obama would be the dream ticket, kick the living #### out of the GOP, I'm hoping she could be persuaded that she has a duty to finally end Trump

All western democracies have to get away from name recognition as a deciding factor. And the nepotism. We only have a decade before one of Trudeau's random children becomes PM for a 12 year span in Canada again.

The only reason Trump won in the first place was because a bigger celebrity wasn't running at the same time. It wasn't Trump vs. Clinton, it was fame vs. nepotism, and fame won by a sliver.

[activeStick]

That seems a little dismissive of Michelle Obama's capabilities and proven ability to bring people together, to suggest her nomination would be largely a name recognition ticket, no?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by activeStick

That seems a little dismissive of Michelle Obama's capabilities and proven ability to bring people together, to suggest her nomination would be largely a name recognition ticket, no?

Most of the main western democracies have people in positions of power that simply can't govern, but are awesome at politics. Michelle Obama would probably win, but there is nothing to indicate that she knows how to govern.

Trump can't, surprisingly Biden can't, Obama v.1.0 was a surprise contestant, and slipped though the cracks and had some ability. He ran into 'The Establishment', a wall of politicians who only play politics, and was only a fraction effective. To become powerful it really is a pageant, and not anything to do with making a country better.

Pelosi and McConnell, the two most powerful people in the States, are nightmare creatures, but they keep getting elected.

[Mathgod]

Makes me cringe to say this but... maybe Dwayne has to step up to the plate here and save his country...

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Makes me cringe to say this but... maybe Dwayne has to step up to the plate here and save his country...

The peoples president?


The pie eating ass beating most electrifying president of all time do you a smell what the rock is cooking?

[Mr.Coffee]

Trump is a massive problem for the United States. It’s pretty easy to see where this is headed at the end of Trumps second term.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Makes me cringe to say this but... maybe Dwayne has to step up to the plate here and save his country...

Mike Judge becomes a prophet on the same level of Nostradamus.