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Old 07-18-2022, 12:26 PM   #1961
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Nearly 400 good guys with training and guns didn't even do anything in Uvalde.
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Old 07-18-2022, 01:04 PM   #1962
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If people are going to use the "good guys with guns" argument based on the Indianapolis story, are they also willing to accept a general 3 good innocent random people to 1 dead shooter KDR ratio in all future encounters? Because that is a bad number for society still.

It's by necessity a reactive argument to a problem that needs to be dealt with proactively. To have a good guy kill a bad guy with a gun, it requires the bad guy to already be close to, or actively shooting at innocents. So essentially by making this argument at all, you are conceding that innocents deserve to die no matter the scenario because you like having guns.
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Old 07-18-2022, 01:29 PM   #1963
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I think some counties in Florida have secured schools now. I read that after the Uvalde shooting somewhere.
Well, anecdotally my daughter's boyfriend grew up in Florida and moved to Canada during High School and hearing the stories he tells is wild.

When he was talking about his High School in Florida it sounded like a Prison.

Completely fenced off with barbed wire at the top, searches and metal detectors and then he moved to Calgary and it was just a vastly different experience.

"When do they search us?"

- They dont.
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Old 07-18-2022, 01:34 PM   #1964
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crime rates have plunged massively everywhere, the juvi' I used to work at in the 90's that had 250 kids in now runs at about 15 to 20 kids, no one is really sure why this has happened but the two likely causes are taking lead out of petrol and paint in the late 60's, the back ground level of lead in our enviroment has finally dipped low enough that it no longer causes the minor level of brain damage in fetuses that would cause increases in violent behaviour and of course access to birth control and abortion meaning less children are having children
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Old 07-18-2022, 01:42 PM   #1965
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It's the states, those are the fit ones
There's a spot at about 12:05 of the video where one of the first officers on the scene, clearly obese, gets down and starts attempting to crawl into a better position and just gives up after like 3 steps and gives a "f### it" look because he can't do it. Sad.
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Old 07-18-2022, 02:44 PM   #1966
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https://www.denverpost.com/2022/07/1...lice-shooting/

Thank god there were some good guys' with guns there.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:44 PM   #1967
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Thank god there were some good guys' with guns there.
The police hit five bystanders? Reminds me of the shootout scene in Heat even Pacino and co just start firing at the bad guys through massive crowds of people.
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In case anyone is curious as i just read it:

In 434 active shooter cases from 2000 to 2021, and armed bystander intervened in 22 of those incidents. 10 of which were security guard or off duty police. According to ALERRT data.
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In case anyone is curious as i just read it:

In 434 active shooter cases from 2000 to 2021, and armed bystander intervened in 22 of those incidents. 10 of which were security guard or off duty police. According to ALERRT data.
Evidence that even more guns are required to keep Murica safe!

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In case anyone is curious as i just read it:

In 434 active shooter cases from 2000 to 2021, and armed bystander intervened in 22 of those incidents. 10 of which were security guard or off duty police. According to ALERRT data.
And at least one of whom was killed by the police.
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Old 07-20-2022, 09:22 AM   #1971
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Not to get into body shaming and stuff, but most of those officers looked so badly out of shape that they likely lack the quickness and stealth to properly take out a gunman in a lot of situations. I don't think it should be too much to ask that field officers meet some kind of fitness requirements.
If you put in place some form of intelligence test (not one that denies employment to people too smart) and fitness requirements for police you'd have like 6 officers left. Throw in a psych evaluation though and you'd have none left.
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If you put in place some form of intelligence test (not one that denies employment to people too smart) and fitness requirements for police you'd have like 6 officers left. Throw in a psych evaluation though and you'd have none left.
yes the fit ones tend to be the ex military PTSD to the max shot first ask questions way way later type
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In case anyone is curious as i just read it:

In 434 active shooter cases from 2000 to 2021, and armed bystander intervened in 22 of those incidents. 10 of which were security guard or off duty police. According to ALERRT data.
It feels like 434 active shooter cases is a bit light. Is that for Chicago?
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