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Old 06-11-2013, 01:59 PM   #41
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Drugs, including weed, are a waste of time (getting exercise will give you a better high than any drug would), but marijuana should be legalized. It simply costs too much money to fight it. Not really sure why, even, that governments would be opposed to it. It should be a freedom of choice. Cigarettes ans alcohol are just as bad.

Plus, even if you had it legally available to you, doesn't mean you will then start smoking weed. I sure as hell won't ever again.
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Drugs, including weed, are a waste of time (getting exercise will give you a better high than any drug would), but marijuana should be legalized.
You ever exercised... on weed?

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(getting exercise will give you a better high than any drug would)
You must have had some seriously terrible drugs.
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Is it possible that more study needs to be done? My only concerns is, I wonder if there is the ability to do an independent study anymore. Both side are strongly entrenched.

In fact a quick google search shows that you can find studies that support both sides, but they come from entities that support the findings of the study.
Of course more studies need to be done but because it's illegal they are hard to come by on a non-partisan level. However, when I look at how the government tries to scare people from using a legal drug in cigarettes why wouldn't they do the same for cannabis if it was true? The only thing the governments have said or say is things that are false. Like killing brain cells, makes you lazy, your friends won't like you, ruins your life, etc.

They even have to change their own studies to make their point because they know the dangers for using cannabis are so low. Humans have been smoking cannabis for thousands of years and it's been studied for decades but there is very little evidence of it's harm when compared to other legal or illegal substances people enjoy.
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They even have to change their own studies to make their point because they know the dangers for using cannabis are so low.
As I mentioned earlier I am undecided, but I would apprecaite a source for that statement.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:15 PM   #47
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http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...acts/marijuana

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relationship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar backgrounds. For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

Research has shown that, in chronic users, marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory persists after the acute effects of the drug wear off; when marijuana use begins in adolescence, the effects may persist for many years. Research from different areas is converging on the fact that regular marijuana use by young people can have long-lasting negative impact on the structure and function of their brains.

http://www.cpha.ca/en/portals/substa...lth/faq02.aspx

Is the fact that some people can't moderate themselves a reason to make it illegal for everyone though?

I know a lot of heavy marijuana users that are big failures and I do think that it played a roll and that they started too young.

But I also know quite a few successful professionals who started using it occasionally as adults (after they became somewhat established) and are still quite successful.

Legal or not, kids are still going to abuse it. Would legalization help with harm reduction? That is the real question.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:17 PM   #48
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I'm not a drug user - never have been - haven't even held a normal lit cigarette but I don't get the whole pot being illegal thing.

Make it legal and tax it so I can have better things in life - if people like it they'll find a way to get it.

The only thing a little worrisome is how wrapped up in it some people get. I mean I see so many XBL accounts with the name 420POT_SMOKER4LIFE420 or something like it. It seems like some people almost see pot smoking as a hobby?
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #49
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For sure they do. But there are beer magazines and cigar magazines too, so I don't know if you can really single pot smokers out.

I think the reason people wanna talk about it so much (especially teens and young adults) is because it IS illegal. Rebellion is part of the appeal. If it were legal, I think a lot of the silly hobby people would disappear, though it would still remain a hobby like many other vices.
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Legal or not, kids are still going to abuse it. Would legalization help with harm reduction? That is the real question.
Well if they put even 1/4 of the money used to fight it currently into awareness campaigns and proper regulation...
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Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relationship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar backgrounds. For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

Research has shown that, in chronic users, marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory persists after the acute effects of the drug wear off; when marijuana use begins in adolescence, the effects may persist for many years. Research from different areas is converging on the fact that regular marijuana use by young people can have long-lasting negative impact on the structure and function of their brains.

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Old 06-11-2013, 02:52 PM   #52
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You must have had some seriously terrible drugs.
Actually, I've done mostly all of the street-level stuff at some point in my life, as embarrassing as that is to admit.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:09 PM   #53
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Interesting Vice cover on Canada's War on Weed.

With a reported value of over six billion dollars, it's no secret that marijuana in British Columbia is big business. However, due to the recent legalization of weed in Washington and Colorado, the draconian crime laws pushed forward by the Canadian Conservative government's omnibus crime bill, and recent changes to medical marijuana regulations, the entire industry is suddenly facing an identity crisis. VICE Canada went west to talk to the people directly affected by these recent events: from the legalization activists and the large and small scale growers, to the illegal traffickers and law enforcement, we talked to the people on the front lines of the battle for control over one of Canada's most undervalued resource.

The only people who want to keep it illegal, are drug dealers and politicians. In my eyes, both are criminals...
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Actually, I've done mostly all of the street-level stuff at some point in my life, as embarrassing as that is to admit.
Don't see why that embarrassing. Sounds like you lived a little when you were younger.

I'd consider waking up and realizing you're middle aged with a family and never having done or tried anything a little "crazy" far more embarrassing.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:59 PM   #56
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(getting exercise will give you a better high than any drug would)
lol....

If that was the case, the entire planet would be made up of men that resemble Roman Gods and women with flawless bodies.

A quick look around indicates that's not the case.

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Old 06-11-2013, 06:40 PM   #57
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She is celebrated in a statue on Parliament Hill for her leading role among the Famous Five, who fought in the courts and were ultimately successful in having women recognized as “persons” under the law. And she endures in the spirit of Canada’s marijuana laws, which continue to reflect some of her hysterical views.
I laughed.

They might as well just title the article "Why it's time to boot the Conservatives". This isn't the only time they've ignored all the evidence in favour of ideology.
What I found more amusing with that quote was the use of the word 'hysterical' with respect to her views.

Given the history of the word and the context it's used in I had a little nerd chuckle...
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Outside of the obvious benefits that come from tax revenues, I am more interested in some numbers of how big of a market legalization of pot could create, how many jobs, etc, etc. It could really help drive the economy.
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What I found more amusing with that quote was the use of the word 'hysterical' with respect to her views.

Given the history of the word and the context it's used in I had a little nerd chuckle...
That's why I laughed.
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The fact is, legal or not, people are still going to smoke weed. I can't wait for this summer.
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