At some point, similar to F1, that speed is just too dangerous to keep going, and they're going to have to put some sort of limiter on it. You already have dbags constantly ripping down Deerfoot at dangerous speeds overestimating their driving abilities. Can you imagine if every Joe Blow has that type of speed in their family sedan. I'd predict a lot fatalities. I guess that's where the self driving kicks in.
Speed is one thing, instant acceleration is another level. I remember how much more confident I got passing when I got my S4, and it was just quick. I can imagine people being completely reckless passing with this much power.
The Following User Says Thank You to edslunch For This Useful Post:
At some point, similar to F1, that speed is just too dangerous to keep going, and they're going to have to put some sort of limiter on it. You already have dbags constantly ripping down Deerfoot at dangerous speeds overestimating their driving abilities. Can you imagine if every Joe Blow has that type of speed in their family sedan. I'd predict a lot fatalities. I guess that's where the self driving kicks in.
Cars are already bonkers fast with the horsepower race the manufacturers have been in for the past decade. Your basic Mustang GT has over 400 horespower. My car has 550 horsepower. It's insane how fast cars are already, and I don't see fatalities left, right and centre. And as you say, with the self-driving features already available...I just don't see this being a problem since it doesn't currently seem to be a problem.
The Rimac Nevera is not what I would call a production car, and it's $2.5 million price tag is pricey for that half of second.
No one is cross-shopping a Nevera and a Tesla, and again, half a second in a sub-10 second quarter-mile is a much bigger deal technologically than dropping half a second from 14 seconds to 13.5.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sliver
Cars are already bonkers fast with the horsepower race the manufacturers have been in for the past decade. Your basic Mustang GT has over 400 horespower. My car has 550 horsepower. It's insane how fast cars are already, and I don't see fatalities left, right and centre. And as you say, with the self-driving features already available...I just don't see this being a problem since it doesn't currently seem to be a problem.
It's less to do with horsepower and largely everything to do with torque. Torque delivery in modern cars is insane, the aggressive nannies in cars are a necessity to stop people running out of talent and putting it into a hedge.
Think of the difference in how you are able to drive with the linear, predictable powerband of a naturally aspirated motor versus the massive thrust of torque from a turbocharged engine versus the instant-on torque of an EV.
__________________
-James
GO FLAMES GO.
The Following User Says Thank You to TorqueDog For This Useful Post:
Cars are already bonkers fast with the horsepower race the manufacturers have been in for the past decade. Your basic Mustang GT has over 400 horespower. My car has 550 horsepower. It's insane how fast cars are already, and I don't see fatalities left, right and centre. And as you say, with the self-driving features already available...I just don't see this being a problem since it doesn't currently seem to be a problem.
I guess for me, it's more about the sudden acceleration. In the future, when soccer mom/dad in their electric SUV can pull quarter miles in 3 or 4 seconds and have instantaneous acceleration, I think that's when you can get some pretty dangerous driving conditions.
The Following User Says Thank You to The Yen Man For This Useful Post:
I guess for me, it's more about the sudden acceleration. In the future, when soccer mom/dad in their electric SUV can pull quarter miles in 3 or 4 seconds and have instantaneous acceleration, I think that's when you can get some pretty dangerous driving conditions.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking of it like that, but you guys raise a really good point. Hopefully the nanny tech protects people from themselves, but you're right that the instantaneous acceleration has the potential to lead to problems. Amazing how much ground you can make up quickly when in a hard-accelerating car.
The upcoming 9000 lb EV Hummer can do 0-60 in under 4(?) seconds. Hopefully the driving aids can keep up.
In terms of passing power, the Chevy Bolt I drove last year for 6 months had easily enough passing power for any possible situation. I felt like I had already passed the car in front of me in the same time that a ICE engine would take to merely shift down. Super fast.
I've been stuck behind a slow vehicle not getting to merge speed before, and I patiently wait for the solid white line to go dashed. Then merge, and attempt to get around slow car, but some a-hole with way to much HP behind you has cut across the white lines, and is now in the spot you were going to in the fast lane, signal lights and laws be damned. If everyone has too much power and not enough patience, it does make for some dangerous situations.
The Following User Says Thank You to Fuzz For This Useful Post:
Why the #### is it so important to drive these personal vehicles like race cars? Sorry, this crap actually makes me really angry. We’re making heavier vehicles and focusing on driving performance and in vehicle safety while we further ignore our outside world.
This is sickening.
__________________
Who is in charge of this product and why haven't they been fired yet?
Why the #### is it so important to drive these personal vehicles like race cars? Sorry, this crap actually makes me really angry. We’re making heavier vehicles and focusing on driving performance and in vehicle safety while we further ignore our outside world.
This is sickening.
How so? The Plaid S is no more resource intensive to build and drive than the average EV in fact it has a slightly higher EPA rating versus the standard Model S. Plaid is also ~200 pounds lighter.
Last edited by zamler; 06-20-2021 at 10:15 AM.
The Following User Says Thank You to zamler For This Useful Post:
Yeah there's a limit to these acceleration things. Like most reviewers have said it pretty strongly about the Taycan Turbo S that the acceleration actually hurts. At this point they've made a freight train the fastest accelerating road legal car out there now in these high end EVs.
The trick is to get the price down and extend battery life.
Also, why the hell haven't they made fully EV motorhomes yet? Seems like there'd be a massive market for a large vehicle like that that you absolutely load up on battery to live off grid and drive long range at the same time. They're never going to be lightweight, seems like the most logical place to remove combustion engines.
I think EV should start with the low hanging fruit and will be the most impactful. An RV that’s normally parked half the year isn’t the best candidate. I think cars and and local delivery vehicles would be the best, but even delivery vehicles might be better to start at PHEV, lest society can tolerate delivery delays.
I think EV should start with the low hanging fruit and will be the most impactful. An RV that’s normally parked half the year isn’t the best candidate. I think cars and and local delivery vehicles would be the best, but even delivery vehicles might be better to start at PHEV, lest society can tolerate delivery delays.
And semi trucks… please let’s make EV semi trucks a thing. 90% of the traffic in the GTA are black exhaust spewing semi trucks. With slow AF acceleration. ####ing up the air quality and traffic flow at the same time.
It’s also one of the few vehicle types that has a legally governed amount of time on the road without breaks. Make it meet that target, they have to stop to recharge anyway. Install chargers at loading bays too.
Why the #### is it so important to drive these personal vehicles like race cars? Sorry, this crap actually makes me really angry. We’re making heavier vehicles and focusing on driving performance and in vehicle safety while we further ignore our outside world.
This is sickening.
I've read your post like three times and still actually have no idea what your problem is here. What do you want to change exactly?
I didn't actually pay attention to the time in the Tesla video
I heard Jay Leno say "fastest production car you can buy".
So Jay lied?
Only if you think the 8 Rimac's built is a production car
If you do it won't last long as the Tesla Roadster will be out next year
Tesla Roadster 2022
Base Specs.
Acceleration 0-60 mph. 1.9 sec.
Acceleration 0-100 mph. 4.2 sec.
Acceleration 1/4 mile. 8.8 sec.
Top Speed. Over 250 mph.
Wheel Torque. 10,000 Nm.
Mile Range. 620 miles
Price. 200k USD
Oh I forgot, Musk has said the Tesla Roadster SpaceX edition will do 0-60 mph in 1.1 sec
Last edited by Snuffleupagus; 06-20-2021 at 04:05 PM.
And semi trucks… please let’s make EV semi trucks a thing. 90% of the traffic in the GTA are black exhaust spewing semi trucks. With slow AF acceleration. ####ing up the air quality and traffic flow at the same time.
It’s also one of the few vehicle types that has a legally governed amount of time on the road without breaks. Make it meet that target, they have to stop to recharge anyway. Install chargers at loading bays too.
There coming!
Side note, with the introduction of clean diesel and DEF systems black exhaust hasn't been a thing for many years.
Only if you think the 8 Rimac's built is a production car
If you do it won't last long as the Tesla Roadster will be out next year
Tesla Roadster 2022
Base Specs.
Acceleration 0-60 mph. 1.9 sec.
Acceleration 0-100 mph. 4.2 sec.
Acceleration 1/4 mile. 8.8 sec.
Top Speed. Over 250 mph.
Wheel Torque. 10,000 Nm.
Mile Range. 620 miles
Price. 200k USD
Oh I forgot, Musk has said the Tesla Roadster SpaceX edition will do 0-60 mph in 1.1 sec
