[News] Ken King: Flames' owners no longer pursuing new arena with City of Calgary

[dino7c]

Calgary needs and will build a new arena eventually...Flames or no Flames

It would be pretty sad to lose the team and then within a decade tax payers fund a new "events center" for concerts and semi-pro sports.

I am not saying give them everything they want but I think King and Nenshi need to go...get some fresh faces on it

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

If you like sports then you should like some funding for an arena. It shows that the city cares about what you care about. We fund many things as taxpayers, add this to one we at least like. Yes entertainment is also a benefit, not just purely entertainment.

My job is more important to me than sports - but I don't expect the city to pitch in to help my company build a new building.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calgary needs and will build a new arena eventually...Flames or no Flames

It would be pretty sad to lose the team and then within a decade tax payers fund a new "events center" for concerts and semi-pro sports.

I am not saying give them everything they want but I think King and Nenshi need to go...get some fresh faces on it

Yes, every city needs a 20,000 person arena if they don't have a hockey team. Are you insane?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Who owns the arena and land in the end? if it's the Flames then they should expect to be exempt from property tax

Originally Posted by corporatejay

What? why?

Yeah, I think that is backwards. If the city owns it, no tax.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

My job is more important to me than sports - but I don't expect the city to pitch in to help my company build a new building.

Why not? Are there not government grants and funding to look into?

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

What? why?

Shouldn't

fixed in original post

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Why are people getting bogged down with Nenshi? Yes hes Mayor but he's only one vote.

The Prime Minister is only one vote in the House of Commons as well. But he undeniably sets the agenda and tone of how the government operates.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Yes, every city needs a 20,000 person arena if they don't have a hockey team. Are you insane?

Are you? What city this size doesn't have a large stadium for such events?

Stampede gonna stop booking top acts when the dome collapses or because its too expensive to maintain

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yup, if that's the will of the public then Calgary can turn into Hartford and that's fine.

Exactly. Calgary and the Flames are not intrinsic to one another.
But then let's not throw rocks at team ownership for moving on to a public who does value an NHL franchise.

[442scotty]

Let an ongoing lottery (10 years?)pay for as much as possible. Can't it be that simple?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Interesting.

I find that a very hard thing to quantify. I know I make specific trips out to watch hockey games at a bar, especially around playoff time...i.e a Wednesday night. I can't say if there wasn't a game that night I'd go spend $50 on a steak and a beer at a different establishment, in fact I'd argue I'd just stay in.

They've done the studies and show that, but I suspect you'd spend the money somewhere. Perhaps you'd order a pizza at home or you'd spend more on groceries, etc. It is possible you could save the money - but most likely you're going to spend it doing something.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Let an ongoing lottery (10 years?)pay for as much as possible. Can't it be that simple?

online 50/50s forever!

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The Prime Minister is only one vote in the House of Commons as well. But he undeniably sets the agenda and tone of how the government operates.

That's completely different.

PM's the leader of a party and party votes will follow PM agenda for most part.


city Councillors are completely different, i think of them more like US congressman, make side deals for votes down the road on their wants within their ward

[sureLoss]

City council has voted to release the arena negotiation discussion.

Lucas Meyer @meyer_lucas
BREAKING: Calgary City Council votes 8-4 to release arena negotiation discussions

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Calgary arena deal scuttled over tax exemption, recouping city investment: Sources

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...g-sources.html

So the city was basically willing to put up the equivalent of $50m-75m via a loan that got repaid. The flames were looking for C$150-200m straight.

So the two sides are about $100-125m apart...

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Not that there is any logic to it, but I suspect this might be settled with some Provincial/Federal money. Still taxpayer, but call it "infrastructure" money and spread the pain, it usually gets more traction.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

So the city was basically willing to put up the equivalent of $50m-75m via a loan that got repaid. The flames were looking for C$150-200m straight.

So the two sides are about $100-125m apart...

Flames looking for 33% of cost from the city. City has offered ~11-12%

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Calgary arena deal scuttled over tax exemption, recouping city investment: Sources

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...g-sources.html

So... the Flames are basically refusing any model that see's the City recoup it's investment. Pretty much as expected, they're just looking for a government handout.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The Prime Minister is only one vote in the House of Commons as well. But he undeniably sets the agenda and tone of how the government operates.

Except council isn't formed by political parties. The PM holds disproportionate power because MP's are compelled to follow direction.

Councillors have no such affiliation and are a band of individuals.

Nenshi does have more public attention and has the strongest way to communicate his message. However if he wants no arena and all the councilors do there is nothing he can do to whip them in line.

He's being used as the image of the anti-arena sentiment fair or unfair because of his elevated visibility.

[herashak]

for $200 you can sit down watch your team play, spend $20 on a couple beers another $10 for a burger.

The cap has risen about $30 million since 05-06, pretty disproportionate to the rest of the working force. If the flames/ Bettman think they deserve to only put in $200 million in to their dream billion+ dollar project then maybe they need to look in the mirror.

Good luck finding as many die hard fans in another empty market. I'd rather see them go than see another money hungry team(company) strong arm a government because they aren't rushing to empty their coffers for them. I believe they deserve some money, maybe even $300 million for an arena along with a field house/football stadium. But the way King and the flames act is pathetic, childish and greedy.

Btw is Francis an idiot or what. listening to him it's amazing how little he knows about issues on anything other then the flames, And he doesn't really have too great of an understanding of hockey either.