03-18-2018, 08:39 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Bleeding Red
The big money comes in the bonuses. As a draft pick he only gets what the standard bonus structure is. Sign with the Flames today - get max NHL base and this round bonus money (if you stay in the NHL, enjoy your AHL paycheck). Wait till UFA and get max bonus money ($2.8 mil) and no AHL time. If he believes in himself and wants to max out UFA is the way to go.
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No the real big money comes in the 2nd contract. If he waits until August of 2020 to become UFA, he will be waiting until 2023 to get to that deal.
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Yes, it is only through rumor that I have heard about "guaranteed spots" in NCAA UFA negotiations.
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No idea what this means.
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Yes, things will change over the summer, but the draft is where we will be sitting and watching unless we play a chip or two.
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Oh I get it....the draft is going to suck as far as picks go, but thats where the deals for players will happen. I have no doubt that BT will be a busy guy those few days though. He simply cannot come back with a roster resembling the current one next season.
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03-18-2018, 08:42 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Originally Posted by Bleeding Red
The big money comes in the bonuses. As a draft pick he only gets what the standard bonus structure is. Sign with the Flames today - get max NHL base and this round bonus money (if you stay in the NHL, enjoy your AHL paycheck). Wait till UFA and get max bonus money ($2.8 mil) and no AHL time. If he believes in himself and wants to max out UFA is the way to go.
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The Flames can offer up the same ELC bonuses as any other team. They are all capped out the same regardless of which round a player is picked or if he is UFA.
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03-19-2018, 07:56 AM
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#63
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Beninho
The Flames better be offering Fox the same contract. They cannot #### around with this kid. Especially after this season, should be priority no.1 right now.
The fact that Hamonic and Stone might make Fox walk is sickening. I'd give up those two for Fox in an instance. Mark my words, Fox will run a no.1 PP unit in the NHL and he will be damn good at it. Flames cannot lose this kid, anyone saying trade him for a first has never watched him play.
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I sure hope Fox hasn't watched the Flames much this year and instead focused on his team and his schooling.
Flames will find a way to #### this one up, I've got a bad feeling about this Kid not wanting to be apart of the flames and I sure hope I'm wrong.
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03-19-2018, 08:58 AM
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How often does a college player actually not sign with a team? Wasn't there panic about Jankowski and Gaudreau as well?
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03-19-2018, 08:59 AM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by colbym72
How often does a college player actually not sign with a team? Wasn't there panic about Jankowski and Gaudreau as well?
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Yes and yes.
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03-19-2018, 08:59 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Royle9
I sure hope Fox hasn't watched the Flames much this year and instead focused on his team and his schooling.
Flames will find a way to #### this one up, I've got a bad feeling about this Kid not wanting to be apart of the flames and I sure hope I'm wrong.
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At the end of the day it’s the Flames’ depth in D prospects- and the fact the Flames have not done a great job of working their own D prospects into the NHL lineup - that I think might keep Fox away from the Flames.
These guys all want to get into the NHL as quickly as possible.
The issue with the Flames is there aren’t a lot of obvious openings on D at the NHL level. And they’ve already got some really good prospects in Anderson, Valimaki and Kylington. If Fox doesn’t think there’s a solid shot of him getting into the NHL within the next couple of years he’ll sign with a team that has a weaker D pool.
EDIT: I wasn’t as worried about Gaudreau and Jankowski because the Flames had obvious depth issues at forward and there was lots of opportunity for them to get into the NHL lineup quickly. I don’t really see the same opportunity for Fox.
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03-19-2018, 09:37 AM
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The obvious move is to trade a couple D - to make room for players like Fox, and to bolster the forward group (and/or recoup picks). Two birds.
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03-19-2018, 09:50 AM
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First Line Centre
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Nothing personal but Brodie and Stone bye bye... Maybe we can package Hamonic and Ferland to Winnipeg for Trouba and a pick if he still wants out (and wants to play here) . Then we have room for Anderson, Fox, and Valimaki.
Brodie and Stone should get us at least one decent forward and a pick or two. Then we still have to replace Ferland ( one of my favs on the team but is beginning to worry me with possible concussion issues long term)
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03-19-2018, 10:00 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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One consideration and i am just spit balling.
It could be that Fox and the Flames have agreed he will be signing a deal to come here but they want to wait before doing so. The reasoning being that the Flames are at 49 contracts right now and have their eyes on a college UFA or 2 that they want to pursue once those players season is done.
Then as of July 1 when several deals are off the books they can sign Fox and start his pro career in the fall after young stars tourney/training camp and have a better idea where he should be to play next season.
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03-19-2018, 10:25 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Hopefully Treliving won't have to burn a year off of Fox's FA elegability years to sign him. The NHL has to close that loop hole it puts the team that drafted the NCAA player at a disadvantage.
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03-19-2018, 11:40 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by 442scotty
Nothing personal but Brodie and Stone bye bye... Maybe we can package Hamonic and Ferland to Winnipeg for Trouba and a pick if he still wants out (and wants to play here) . Then we have room for Anderson, Fox, and Valimaki.
Brodie and Stone should get us at least one decent forward and a pick or two. Then we still have to replace Ferland ( one of my favs on the team but is beginning to worry me with possible concussion issues long term)
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That better be a hell of a pick. I wouldn't do Hamonic for Trouba straight up.
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03-19-2018, 02:01 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Stay Golden
Hopefully Treliving won't have to burn a year off of Fox's FA elegability years to sign him. The NHL has to close that loop hole it puts the team that drafted the NCAA player at a disadvantage.
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Nothing can change his UFA eligibility. No matter when he signs, he'll be eligible for UFA status on July 1, 2025 (the year he turns 27). The only way that could be reduced is if he was on the Flames' active roster for 40 games this season, which isn't possible at this point.
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03-19-2018, 02:29 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Calgary
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Ryan Donato just signed with the Bruins. He foregoes his final year of eligibility and was easily the top Harvard player. Wonder if this has any effect on whether Fox decides to come back for his Junior season.
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03-19-2018, 02:59 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Unrelated-but-related topic, but how was Brendan Hickey's season? I see his stats were a bit worse this year than last year (-5), but I have no scouting on him. Anyone see him play a bit at all?
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03-19-2018, 04:06 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Stay Golden
Hopefully Treliving won't have to burn a year off of Fox's FA elegability years to sign him. The NHL has to close that loop hole it puts the team that drafted the NCAA player at a disadvantage.
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Signing him before year is out allows him to get to his 2nd contract quicker. That should be an advantage for the team that drafts an NCAA player, right?
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03-19-2018, 04:23 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Signing him before year is out allows him to get to his 2nd contract quicker. That should be an advantage for the team that drafts an NCAA player, right?
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That and he would still get his ELC signing bonus for that first burnt year. So if he signed and played a game this season he would get 90k plus game cheques and then another 90k on July 1st when the new season starts. Almost 200k, which isn't too shabby for a 4 month stretch.
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03-19-2018, 05:40 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Aug 2017
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Originally Posted by flamestar16
Ryan Donato just signed with the Bruins. He foregoes his final year of eligibility and was easily the top Harvard player. Wonder if this has any effect on whether Fox decides to come back for his Junior season.
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You would think that Donato would have a harder time making the Boston team the way they are playing now than Fox would be in playing for Calgary's D. The clearly promised him something just like Calgary will to Fox.
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03-19-2018, 06:50 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: H E double hockey sticks
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Originally Posted by JJFlash
You would think that Donato would have a harder time making the Boston team the way they are playing now than Fox would be in playing for Calgary's D. The clearly promised him something just like Calgary will to Fox.
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Boston has a tonne of injuries right now, that might have been a good motivator for him signing early. I am sure the Bruins pointed it out to him also.
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03-19-2018, 07:32 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Bezer
Boston has a tonne of injuries right now, that might have been a good motivator for him signing early. I am sure the Bruins pointed it out to him also.
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Three points for Donato is debut and game isn't over.
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03-19-2018, 07:49 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Something in the water in Boston. Donato looked fantastic out there.
I'm all for Fox playing this year if he comes out looking like that. Shut Stone down or something and let the kid play. At least he'll be motivated.
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