03-31-2016, 06:59 PM
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#61
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Lifetime Suspension
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It appears only you needed further explanation.
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03-31-2016, 08:16 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MarkGio
Alot of the guys you pointed out statistically won't make it. From a manager's perspective I would much rather have the deck stacked with guys like Russell, Andersson, Culkin, etc. than to have a Kanzig, who's very unlikely to pan out. You can always trade for a guy like Kanzig if you have a full deck of potential top 4. In previous eras, guys like Reghre, Gill, Sarich, and Kanzig might have been successfully due to their physical tools, but current hockey is so much about possession, staying out of the box, avoiding suspension, stretch the ice with good saucers and skating.
I would agree that Kanzig is not a roadblock to Gilmour, or to any other prospect IMO. You have to better than someone to be a road block.
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Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. The 2013/14 cup winning LA kings had 3 physical defensive defencemen (Greene, Mitchell, Regehr) - and they spent two second round picks in acquiring Regehr while having 2 already on the team. Look how expensive Coburn was to Tampa when they felt they needed to have his type. Physical defensive defencemen are still prevalent in the game today - and obviously help at least some teams win championships, right?
When you want to acquire one - they are expensive. Good defencemen are always expensive, regardless if they are of the stay-at-home type, or the offensive puck-moving type. More than a 3rd round pick is, anyways.
Disagree again on the roadblock comment completely - Kanzig doesn't have to be 'better' than Gilmour - not at the offensive end anyways. Or you can look at it the other way - perhaps undersized Gilmour has to be better physically than Kanzig since this is something that the organization needs? See the general fail at comparing apples to oranges here? That is why neither one of them will be a roadblock to the other.
If it was about the Flames looking for a mobile puck moving offensive defencemen, they wouldn't have drafted Kanzig in the first place, and they wouldn't have offered him a contract hence. Obviously they value the type of prospect that Kanzig is, and they feel they have enough guys equal to or greater than Gilmour. Does that make sense?
Something tells me.. agree to disagree, right?
Regardless, Flames are loaded with 2-way and offensive puck-moving defencemen throughout the organization - especially after the last draft and off-season. Gilmour needed to show more in my opinion, considering he is slightly undersized. He isn't a poor prospect, but in an organization that is fairly deep in the type of defencemen that he is, I can see why the Flames have decided not to offer him an NHL contract, but still think enough of him to offer him an AHL contract to see how a year of pro goes for him (just in case he is the next Giordano).
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08-10-2016, 08:39 AM
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#63
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Mark Divver @MarkDivver
PC's John Gilmour to hit free agency next week. Agent Jordan Neumann says he is confident there will be interest from multiple teams.
Not too surprising. Big question is if there will be a team willing to give him a NHL contract.
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08-10-2016, 08:42 AM
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First Line Centre
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I logged in just now and the thread on the splash page said
"Flames will not sign John..."
Scared me for a second.
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08-10-2016, 08:58 AM
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#65
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Big question is if there will be a team willing to give him a NHL contract.
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His D partner, Tom Parisi, got an NHL contract, and I'm pretty confident Gilmour is better than him.
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08-10-2016, 09:53 AM
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#66
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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I think he's worthy of a contract, he's just in a tough situation as we have too many defence prospects ahead of him.
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08-10-2016, 09:59 AM
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#67
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Lifetime Suspension
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He's worthy of an AHL deal. I really liked him up until this season, it was up and down, all over the place, wildly inconsistent play IMO. Started the year with a team suspension IIRC.
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08-10-2016, 11:17 AM
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#68
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: MTL
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I'm kind of surprised Arnold hasn't landed anywhere yet.
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08-10-2016, 01:48 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
He's worthy of an AHL deal. I really liked him up until this season, it was up and down, all over the place, wildly inconsistent play IMO. Started the year with a team suspension IIRC.
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Suspension? Interesting. Did a quick search, and couldn't find anything.
Got any other details? Just curious for the reading.
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08-10-2016, 02:01 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by cam_wmh
Suspension? Interesting. Did a quick search, and couldn't find anything.
Got any other details? Just curious for the reading.
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Will have to dig later tonight but IIRC he was suspended for the Exhibition game against Simon Fraiser and the first game of the regular season against Miami for an off ice issue.
Here is the game thread for the Simon Fraiser game where it's mentioned in the OP
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ur#post5442327
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Flames Prospect John Gilmour will not dress as he is being scratched due to violating team rules.
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Could be something, could be absolutely nothing.
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08-10-2016, 03:17 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Mark Divver @MarkDivver
PC's John Gilmour to hit free agency next week. Agent Jordan Neumann says he is confident there will be interest from multiple teams.
Not too surprising. Big question is if there will be a team willing to give him a NHL contract.
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I'd put money on Vancouver. Weisbrod was a big part in drafting him and Canucks need to build depth.
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08-17-2016, 12:40 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Mark Divver @MarkDivver
Word is free agent defenseman John Gilmour (@johngilmour93) of Providence College has agreed to 2-year NHL deal with New York Rangers.
Good luck to him!
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02-09-2018, 03:24 PM
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#73
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: CALGARY
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Gilmour has arguably been Hartford’s best defenseman this year, and has 26 points in 44 AHL games.
Making NHL debut tonight.
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02-09-2018, 03:25 PM
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#74
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Good for him. He wouldn't have had a chance here so it's nice to see him get a shot elsewhere.
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02-09-2018, 04:32 PM
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#75
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Lifetime Suspension
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No one likes being dropped, but it's a mercy to give prospects in deeper systems a chance somewhere where your odds are better. John is evidence of the system working. I hope he does (not too) well.
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02-09-2018, 04:34 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Will be neat for him and Jankowski, who are really good friends from college.
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02-09-2018, 04:42 PM
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First Line Centre
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Yeah good for him. Too bad it never came to be with us, but happy for him that he's earned time at the NHL level.
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02-09-2018, 04:45 PM
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Wait, is he debuting against us?
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