What if Sam Bennett has another good playoff performance?

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure what the problem is as Sam’s ice time and time at centre is influenced by how much ice time and the role Ryan serves
Certainly seems relevant

Green text was necessary, my apologies. At least we’re not talking about Jankowski... oh...

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Disagree, I’d like to use that money to go after Pietrangelo or another right shot D man. However, I also like moving Gaudreau for a package like 8th overall plus Cozens or something. Kind of a tough time to speculate though. If the flames make a run in these playoffs, it might change my mind. I don’t like losing assets for nothing though. Certain acceptions though. For me Ryan isn’t it.

8OA + Cozens is a pipe dream. You might get one of the two.

Why would Buffalo give up two high value cost controlled assets for two years of JG?

Cozens & a RHS D is what I would target.

[Doctorfever]

Sam Bennett clearly is able to elevate his game in the playoffs. This is a huge asset. This doesn’t mean we should be disappointed in him because he doesn’t have this level of intensity during the regular season.

Some player are simply better in the playoffs - Bennett

Some players help you get to the payoffs, and sometimes don’t have the same success in the post season - Johnny.

Both have value.

[TOfan]

I don’t see any reason why the Flames should look to move either Bennett or Ryan, unless of course there’s a deal on the table to make the team better. Certainly not trading Ryan for a mid round pick. That’s just silly talk.

Both have contracts expiring next season. The Flames will still have control of Bennett’s rights and, as Scorp has pointed out, Ryan and his family seem to see Calgary as a great fit on and off the ice. Let’s see if this latest iteration stays together and can maintain a level of production you would hope to see from a strong 3rd line. If so, extend them both.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Disagree, I’d like to use that money to go after Pietrangelo or another right shot D man. However, I also like moving Gaudreau for a package like 8th overall plus Cozens or something. Kind of a tough time to speculate though. If the flames make a run in these playoffs, it might change my mind. I don’t like losing assets for nothing though. Certain acceptions though. For me Ryan isn’t it.

One thing that I've changed on is my feelings around Johnny getting moved in the offseason. I was pretty firmly against it before, but while he wasn't horrible in the qualifying round, Johnny wasn't a difference maker and the team showed that they could push through still. Currently, I think I'm fine if Tre moves him, but I don't think Johnny gets an 8th plus Cozens. I feel like if he gets moved, there will be some disappointed Flames fans at the return because their expectations might be a bit high.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by activeStick

One thing that I've changed on is my feelings around Johnny getting moved in the offseason. I was pretty firmly against it before, but while he wasn't horrible in the qualifying round, Johnny wasn't a difference maker and the team showed that they could push through still. Currently, I think I'm fine if Tre moves him, but I don't think Johnny gets an 8th plus Cozens. I feel like if he gets moved, there will be some disappointed Flames fans at the return because their expectations might be a bit high.

Well of course.

How many players in the league have gotten 99 points?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by activeStick

One thing that I've changed on is my feelings around Johnny getting moved in the offseason. I was pretty firmly against it before, but while he wasn't horrible in the qualifying round, Johnny wasn't a difference maker and the team showed that they could push through still. Currently, I think I'm fine if Tre moves him, but I don't think Johnny gets an 8th plus Cozens. I feel like if he gets moved, there will be some disappointed Flames fans at the return because their expectations might be a bit high.

Fans might be disappointed with the return, but there will be lots of people disappointed around the league. Will not be your typical hockey trades when there is an expansion draft coming. Trading players for draft picks or prospects will not generate the return it would on a normal year. So much more on the line for teams when they have to expose player to the expansion draft.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Disagree, I’d like to use that money to go after Pietrangelo or another right shot D man. However, I also like moving Gaudreau for a package like 8th overall plus Cozens or something. Kind of a tough time to speculate though. If the flames make a run in these playoffs, it might change my mind. I don’t like losing assets for nothing though. Certain acceptions though. For me Ryan isn’t it.

He is going to get 7 years and likely over 7M a year. No way the Flames add that kind of contract to this blueline.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by activeStick

One thing that I've changed on is my feelings around Johnny getting moved in the offseason. I was pretty firmly against it before, but while he wasn't horrible in the qualifying round, Johnny wasn't a difference maker and the team showed that they could push through still. Currently, I think I'm fine if Tre moves him, but I don't think Johnny gets an 8th plus Cozens. I feel like if he gets moved, there will be some disappointed Flames fans at the return because their expectations might be a bit high.

There are a lot of playoffs to be played, Johnny could end up scoring many goals and assists.

[AC]

Johnny could become incredibly valuable in the playoffs by just becoming a PP specialist.

I don't expect him to do much even strength, but if he can setup or score on the PP at a high rate that's a game changer because teams will become more passive in fear of taking costly penalties.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by activeStick

One thing that I've changed on is my feelings around Johnny getting moved in the offseason. I was pretty firmly against it before, but while he wasn't horrible in the qualifying round, Johnny wasn't a difference maker and the team showed that they could push through still. Currently, I think I'm fine if Tre moves him, but I don't think Johnny gets an 8th plus Cozens. I feel like if he gets moved, there will be some disappointed Flames fans at the return because their expectations might be a bit high.

Yes, I agree. I’d like to sign Hall in his place though.
In terms of trade return expectations, it’s not like the Flames need to be in a huge rush to trade him. Also Buffalo might be desperate to give Eichel some high level skill. If they don’t improve fast, he’ll probably ask to be traded.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by AC

Johnny could become incredibly valuable in the playoffs by just becoming a PP specialist.

I don't expect him to do much even strength, but if he can setup or score on the PP at a high rate that's a game changer because teams will become more passive in fear of taking costly penalties.

I hope that happens because right now he is really ineffective on the pp

[TheSquatch]

I wish I knew what the hell happened to Gaudreau, I remember him being a lot harder to play against, a little more like a Datsyuk, doing take-aways pretty often, being pretty engaged. But the more recent sample is not a player I find compelling in any way.

Asked today if I keep Johnny or Sam, if one has to go? Right now I'd say Sam.

[DeluxeMoustache]

You guys need to relax. After months off, Johnny has 3 points in 4 games, is +2, has been busting his ass on the back check, and the playoffs are just getting started. Lots of time.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You guys need to relax. After months off, Johnny has 3 points in 4 games, is +2, has been busting his ass on the back check, and the playoffs are just getting started. Lots of time.

Fair, but there is no denying that the top line was our worst line against Winnipeg 5v5. I mean, look at Gaudreau's numbers 5v5:

CF%: 40.48%
CF% Rel: -9.30%

FF%: 40.68%
FF% Rel: -9.61%

SF%: 45.24%
SF% Rel: -6.67%

xGF%: 36.65%
xGF% Rel: -22.58%

SCF%: 34.21%
SCF% Rel: -19.92%

HDCF%: 0%(!!!!!)
HDCF% Rel: -60.53%

Of course it's a 4 game sample, but those numbers are bruuuuuuutal. They did a very good job limiting chances but overall still got obliterated and did absolutely nothing offensively.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You guys need to relax. After months off, Johnny has 3 points in 4 games, is +2, has been busting his ass on the back check, and the playoffs are just getting started. Lots of time.

I normally agree with a lot of your stuff. That top line hasn’t looked like a legit top line 5 on 5 for at least a year and a half. It’s great they’ve been playing better defensively, but they need to be able to score some goals 5 on 5. Something is a miss there.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He is going to get 7 years and likely over 7M a year. No way the Flames add that kind of contract to this blueline.

They may not. But he would probably be effective for all 7 years. You’re right, he’ll probably get 7 years at around 9 mil. And he’s worth it imo.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Fair, but there is no denying that the top line was our worst line against Winnipeg 5v5. I mean, look at Gaudreau's numbers 5v5:

CF%: 40.48%
CF% Rel: -9.30%

FF%: 40.68%
FF% Rel: -9.61%

SF%: 45.24%
SF% Rel: -6.67%

xGF%: 36.65%
xGF% Rel: -22.58%

SCF%: 34.21%
SCF% Rel: -19.92%

HDCF%: 0%(!!!!!)
HDCF% Rel: -60.53%

Of course it's a 4 game sample, but those numbers are bruuuuuuutal. They did a very good job limiting chances but overall still got obliterated and did absolutely nothing offensively.

Those three need to learn how to cycle in the offensive zone without having an extra man. I can't remember the last time they held the zone for a full shift without coughing up the puck or retreating.

Lindholm knows how to protect the puck with his body but Gaudreau trips himself up and coughs it up and monahan doesn't like to hold on to the puck for more than a few seconds at a time. And none of them do well supporting the other by orbiting close enough to be passed off to so as to keep possession. It's rush / one and done / turn it over/ retreat.

They could do with some edge and sandpaper along the boards and a little more grind in their game. Again, strictly at ES. They're fine on the PP.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Those three need to learn how to cycle in the offensive zone without having an extra man. I can't remember the last time they held the zone for a full shift without coughing up the puck or retreating.

Lindholm knows how to protect the puck with his body but Gaudreau trips himself up and coughs it up and monahan doesn't like to hold on to the puck for more than a few seconds at a time. And none of them do well supporting the other by orbiting close enough to be passed off to so as to keep possession. It's rush / one and done / turn it over/ retreat.

They could do with some edge and sandpaper along the boards and a little more grind in their game. Again, strictly at ES. They're fine on the PP.

Jonny Gaudreau? Cycle?

Better chance of seeing him drain a three before you see him cycle.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Yes, I agree. I’d like to sign Hall in his place though.
In terms of trade return expectations, it’s not like the Flames need to be in a huge rush to trade him. Also Buffalo might be desperate to give Eichel some high level skill. If they don’t improve fast, he’ll probably ask to be traded.

Yes and no. 3-5 team NTC kicks in July 1, 2021 (or presumably 8-10 days after next years draft date). If you can't get it done this off-season, then you are unlikely to have much of a market until after the expansion draft, which gives an even more critical deadline to work against.

IMO the return will be underwhelming whenever it happens, but I think it's only going to get worse the longer they wait.