I honestly haven't really kept up on EV models and what to look for. Obviously Tesla is the big one, but are any other companies offering something competitive range/quality/price wise?
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Also have to consider does it matter if it takes that long to charge from 10% to 90%? If it's for city driving what's the average kms per day? 40? In that case you'll only care about 80% to 90% times.. and for the times when you do significant drain in a day stop at a fast charger. But if it's 200km a day then yeah it wouldn't work well.
Just have to weigh the benefits and downsides. Is the added complexity of a hybrid better or worse than the cost (if possible) of running 220V? Some people won't have the option so maybe the hybrid is still better.
My problem is we suited our walkout basement and my parents moved in. So between my stove and dryer and THEIR stove and dryer I think everything is maxed so I'd probably need to spend a decent amount to add a 220 line to the garage.
There are EV management systems that you could get. It’s essentially a kill switch that will disengage your car’s charger if the load inside the house becomes too great. It is an inexpensive way to be get charging capability while avoiding the panel upgrade if it is maxed out.
It is unlikely you’ll need to get a full charge immediately when you arrive home but your stove or dryer will get priority if you happen to be charging and someone uses a high load appliance.
After a day of driving and use, most people charge their car overnight. It is easier on the grid during off peak hours and with minimal planning I haven’t had material changes to appliance use and charging.
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There are EV management systems that you could get. It’s essentially a kill switch that will disengage your car’s charger if the load inside the house becomes too great. It is an inexpensive way to be get charging capability while avoiding the panel upgrade if it is maxed out.
It is unlikely you’ll need to get a full charge immediately when you arrive home but your stove or dryer will get priority if you happen to be charging and someone uses a high load appliance.
After a day of driving and use, most people charge their car overnight. It is easier on the grid during off peak hours and with minimal planning I haven’t had material changes to appliance use and charging.
Often you can set the charging time inside the car, so you plug it in when you get home, but it only starts charging overnight.
I honestly haven't really kept up on EV models and what to look for. Obviously Tesla is the big one, but are any other companies offering something competitive range/quality/price wise?
Hyundai/Kia have the Ioniq 5 / EV6, plus the Genesis GV60, plus electric versions of the Kona / Niro / Soul.
Ford's Mustang Mach-E is selling well and if I was buying today would be on my personal short list.
Volvo XC-40, Polestar 2, Mercedes EQS, Porche Tycan / Audo e-Tron as you move up the market.
BMW has some now too.
And there's a whole bunch more coming this year.
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I would have thought rising oil prices would give these a boost. After watching that video I was considering grabbing some Lucid shares. At it's current price of $24, it looks to have already taken it's hit from $55. Reading some analysts, this price sounds reasonable for it to have some growth.
I would have thought rising oil prices would give these a boost. After watching that video I was considering grabbing some Lucid shares. At it's current price of $24, it looks to have already taken it's hit from $55. Reading some analysts, this price sounds reasonable for it to have some growth.
Rivian's guidance on how many vehicles they'll produce has dropped a lot. Plus while oil prices have gone up, many resources used to build batteries have also sky-rocketed. Just look at the price chart for lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper, aluminum.
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Rivian's guidance on how many vehicles they'll produce has dropped a lot. Plus while oil prices have gone up, many resources used to build batteries have also sky-rocketed. Just look at the price chart for lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper, aluminum.
They increased the purchase price by 20% and had to revert back to the original price when buyers revolted. Now shareholders are suing. It's not looking good for them.
As someone who went the plug in hybrid route, I really wish I had gone full electric! Note that we also have a gas half ton for long hauls.
The plug in hybrid has been pretty good, but at the end of the day it's a half measure. I drive 35km of mostly Highway to work every day and if it's warmer than -10 I get 2.5L/100km. Can't go wrong with that, along with the fact that my work has their block heater plug ins on so I can charge my battery all day on their dime.
However below -10 I only get a little EV time and below -18 I get 0 EV time (unless I turn off the heat).
I know the RAV4 Prime has electric heat (I have the Santa Fe that doesn't) but I can't imagine the range would be worth anything in the cold with the heat pumping
So Tesla purposefully programmed their cars to break traffic laws? What idiot signed off on that?
photon gave you a pretty good list. I personally drive a Hyundai Kona Electric with the Ultimate trim and I'm mostly happy with it, with a bit of a caveat that the seat ergonomics and keyless entry are a little underdeveloped. The Ioniq 5 looks like a very nice option and I probably would have got that if it were available.
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As someone who went the plug in hybrid route, I really wish I had gone full electric! Note that we also have a gas half ton for long hauls.
The plug in hybrid has been pretty good, but at the end of the day it's a half measure. I drive 35km of mostly Highway to work every day and if it's warmer than -10 I get 2.5L/100km. Can't go wrong with that, along with the fact that my work has their block heater plug ins on so I can charge my battery all day on their dime.
However below -10 I only get a little EV time and below -18 I get 0 EV time (unless I turn off the heat).
I know the RAV4 Prime has electric heat (I have the Santa Fe that doesn't) but I can't imagine the range would be worth anything in the cold with the heat pumping
Just my 2 cents!
I think PHEV's offer the best (current) compromise in our cold environment with current charging infrastructure. You have an ICE engine so you don't have to worry about charging up on longer trips. Your current commute is near perfect for a PHEV. EV's are even more compromised when it gets really cold, range gets completely neutered.
I watched a few videos of long road trips with a few of the EVs I'd consider (Mach-E, Kia EV6/Ioniq 5), and I think usage type really comes into it.
The Mach-E video had a LOT of problems getting the chargers to work consistently, it was really buggy (the video was from 2021 and I think I've read they're at least aware of the issues if they haven't been resolved yet). Charging session would crash every 5 minutes, and the rate would go down arbitrarily (unplugging and replugging would get the rate back up again). Basically there's no way normal people could be expected to deal with the quirkiness and bugginess. Plus the Mach-E didn't seem to take elevation into account in its calculations, so the vehicle would alert that there's no charging stations in distance but then the vehicle would have 20% left by the time it got to the destination. The car doesn't show the charge rate so you have to go out to the station to see how fast you are charging.
The EV6 had more consistent charging but because there was no battery preconditioning the charge rates were consistently FAR lower than the platform is capable of because of the cold. EDIT: I think battery conditioning is now available to help the battery get to an ideal temperature for charging.
In both cases the drivers had used Teslas before and while they liked their respective cars they consistently mentioned how Tesla is still way ahead of other brands in terms of software, infrastructure, and usage experience.
For me personally my usage would mean almost none of these things would impact me, and I'm nerdy enough to deal with quirkiness. But I could definitely see how some people might get frustrated at that kind of experience and where a PHEV might be better for their use cases.
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I watched a few videos of long road trips with a few of the EVs I'd consider (Mach-E, Kia EV6/Ioniq 5), and I think usage type really comes into it.
The Mach-E video had a LOT of problems getting the chargers to work consistently, it was really buggy (the video was from 2021 and I think I've read they're at least aware of the issues if they haven't been resolved yet). Charging session would crash every 5 minutes, and the rate would go down arbitrarily (unplugging and replugging would get the rate back up again). Basically there's no way normal people could be expected to deal with the quirkiness and bugginess. Plus the Mach-E didn't seem to take elevation into account in its calculations, so the vehicle would alert that there's no charging stations in distance but then the vehicle would have 20% left by the time it got to the destination. The car doesn't show the charge rate so you have to go out to the station to see how fast you are charging.
The EV6 had more consistent charging but because there was no battery preconditioning the charge rates were consistently FAR lower than the platform is capable of because of the cold. EDIT: I think battery conditioning is now available to help the battery get to an ideal temperature for charging.
In both cases the drivers had used Teslas before and while they liked their respective cars they consistently mentioned how Tesla is still way ahead of other brands in terms of software, infrastructure, and usage experience.
For me personally my usage would mean almost none of these things would impact me, and I'm nerdy enough to deal with quirkiness. But I could definitely see how some people might get frustrated at that kind of experience and where a PHEV might be better for their use cases.
This is why I'm waiting. I really want an EV but I don't like Teslas at all, and the rest are all first gen that will have issues. I'm buying a standard ICE later this year and I think in 5 years or so I'll look at trading it in for an EV when hopefully all the bugs are worked out
As someone who went the plug in hybrid route, I really wish I had gone full electric! Note that we also have a gas half ton for long hauls.
The plug in hybrid has been pretty good, but at the end of the day it's a half measure. I drive 35km of mostly Highway to work every day and if it's warmer than -10 I get 2.5L/100km. Can't go wrong with that, along with the fact that my work has their block heater plug ins on so I can charge my battery all day on their dime.
However below -10 I only get a little EV time and below -18 I get 0 EV time (unless I turn off the heat).
I know the RAV4 Prime has electric heat (I have the Santa Fe that doesn't) but I can't imagine the range would be worth anything in the cold with the heat pumping
Just my 2 cents!
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I think PHEV's offer the best (current) compromise in our cold environment with current charging infrastructure. You have an ICE engine so you don't have to worry about charging up on longer trips. Your current commute is near perfect for a PHEV. EV's are even more compromised when it gets really cold, range gets completely neutered.
I was thinking about this over the weekend and agree PHEV may not be a bad compromise for Calgary. One would need to look at historical weather data but on average how many days (and nights) are -10° or colder in Calgary in an average year? The amount of time actually driving in lower temperatures may be lower than you might think.
Even looking at Wikipedia weather averages for Calgary it shows 3 months of the year with average overnight lows below -10° and zero days with an average high less than -10°. Really bad statistical analysis of that ballparks out 90 nights and zero days where the commute would be below the -10° threshold. Out of 730 yearly trips (365 x 2), 640 would be warmer and 90 lower than this. Point being a city like Calgary likely still has the majority of driving time at relatively mild temperatures. Other prairie cities not so much.
Let's say EV range is 400km, on a -30 days let's say you lose half the range. That's still 200km, which would be more than enough for a daily driver for people.
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