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Old 01-26-2018, 09:24 AM   #141
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This is a tough one for me with Backlund.
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Very reliable in the face offs especially d zone.
Great 2 way player.
Can be physical if needs to be.
Good skater, plays with pace quality passer, decent shot.
Good length.
Can be put on PK and PP. Prefer him on second PP unit.
Usually 4-5 on team for points.
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Inconsistent physically.
Streaky scorer.
This season has had a fair number of games this season where he does what I call a Jokinen fly by where he stakes past board battles or skates a loop into the D zone but doesn't get anywhere near a forecheck on the D. Joker used to do that far too often it drives me nuts Backs has a bad habit of doing that this season but prior seasons he was more engaged and hard on the forecheck.

With that said that can be easily fixed with the right system and coach.

5m per for 4-5 is fair I guess. Overall like Backund quality #2 C.
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Wish they’d get the deal done, you can see this weighing on him lately.
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:26 AM   #143
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Are you seriously saying that, on a long term signing, you take Marchessault/Karlsson over Monahan/Backlund? Because of one year where they are doubling the points they ever got before?

One of these pairs has a history of production. Another doesn't.
Marchessault was just extended 5m x6 by the best management group that the NHL has ever seen.

He has 47 goals and 97 points since the start of last season

Monahan has 49 goals and 101 points over the same period playing an extra 12 games... almost exclusive with Gaudreau on his line.


Karlsson is having the break out that the Flames are hoping Jankowski gets over the next 2 seasons.


Will the Flames ever be in the position that the Knights are currently in?

If Jankowski (or Bennett) had 42 pts at this point in the season would you discount it because they were scoring at twice the rate they ever did before?
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Marchessault was just extended 5m x6 by the best management group that the NHL has ever seen.
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GM that traded Forsberg for Erat = best management group the NHL has ever seen
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Marchessault was just extended 5m x6 by the best management group that the NHL has ever seen...
Hahahaha!

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What is this assertion based on?

I have seen a few posters say it, but it doesn't align with the numbers I posted a while back in this thread, which show that Backlund is among the top-40 producing centres in the entire NHL over the past three seasons. Add to that his excellent defensive play and I really believe that most teams would be clamouring to add him to their second lines.
There are teams that Backlund would be the default #1C. Just not the contenders.

The stats don't always line up to reflect reality. Buffalo with ROR, Eichel and Sam R would not want Backlund at his current contract despite him out-producing their 3 guys over the last 3 years.

What teams do you see lining up to out-bid the Flames for him as a UFA?
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This is a tough one for me with Backlund.
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Very reliable in the face offs especially d zone.
Great 2 way player.
Can be physical if needs to be.
Good skater, plays with pace quality passer, decent shot.
Good length.
Can be put on PK and PP. Prefer him on second PP unit.
Usually 4-5 on team for points.
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Inconsistent physically.
Streaky scorer.
This season has had a fair number of games this season where he does what I call a Jokinen fly by where he stakes past board battles or skates a loop into the D zone but doesn't get anywhere near a forecheck on the D. Joker used to do that far too often it drives me nuts Backs has a bad habit of doing that this season but prior seasons he was more engaged and hard on the forecheck.

With that said that can be easily fixed with the right system and coach.

5m per for 4-5 is fair I guess. Overall like Backund quality #2 C.
Backlund is not reliable in the faceoff circle. He’s been sub-50% most of his career.

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If some posters on this board would understand that any point production or goals scored by Backlund is simply icing on the cake this world would be a better place.

The amount of goals he prevents is worth just as much as the goals he scores. I swear I feel like too many people don't or refuse to actually recognize all the good little things he does every shift, perhaps that's because he makes it look so effortless.

You absolutely need players like Backlund on your team to be successful.
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Hahahaha!

What?!
2nd overall in the league, 10 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 3 years. Loads of cap space.

What!!

Flames could use some of that blind luck over the last 10 years.
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2nd overall in the league, 10 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 3 years. Loads of cap space.

What!!

Flames could use some of that blind luck over the last 10 years.
It has been half a season.
They were also given unprecedented opportunity to acquire assets via the expansion draft compared to any other expansion team in history
They've done a good job but to say that they are the best management team in the history of a league that has been around for more than 100 years is just some wacky wacky sh**
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What is this assertion based on?

I have seen a few posters say it, but it doesn't align with the numbers I posted a while back in this thread, which show that Backlund is among the top-40 producing centres in the entire NHL over the past three seasons. Add to that his excellent defensive play and I really believe that most teams would be clamouring to add him to their second lines.
i like Backlund. I'm not suggesting he isn't important to this team. And we need a defensive specialist centre who contributes offensively as well. He's a selke candidate for a reason.

BUT - he will be on the downside of his career when we are cup contenders - your stats are great for the past few seasons - but this signing decision must be based on an assessment of what he will be doing three years from now. And my view is he will be a solid 3C by then.

Paying someone for past performance is a constant error made by NHL teams.
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lmao...

"best management group"......"blind luck"

(can't be both now, can it?)

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There are teams that Backlund would be the default #1C. Just not the contenders.
Again, based on what?

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The stats don't always line up to reflect reality. Buffalo with ROR, Eichel and Sam R would not want Backlund at his current contract despite him out-producing their 3 guys over the last 3 years.

What teams do you see lining up to out-bid the Flames for him as a UFA?
I already said that I think most teams would jump at the chance to add Mikael Backlund to centre their second line. Of course, there are a handful with such terrific centre depth that would not—such as Pittsburgh and TB—but I think these would be the exception.
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i like Backlund. I'm not suggesting he isn't important to this team. And we need a defensive specialist centre who contributes offensively as well. He's a selke candidate for a reason.

BUT - he will be on the downside of his career when we are cup contenders - your stats are great for the past few seasons - but this signing decision must be based on an assessment of what he will be doing three years from now. And my view is he will be a solid 3C by then.

Paying someone for past performance is a constant error made by NHL teams.
Paying someone for present performance is not a mistake. Backlund is 28-years-old. If he signs a four- or five-year deal it will carry him to the wizened, old age of 33–34. There is no good reason to think that he will be anything worse than he is now in four years, and he is currently a very good second-line centre.

Why do you believe he is "on the downside of his career"? I will agree that he has likely peaked, but players like him will tend to maintain a high level of play into their mid-thirties.
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Paying someone for present performance is not a mistake. Backlund is 28-years-old. If he signs a four- or five-year deal it will carry him to the wizened, old age of 33–34. There is no good reason to think that he will be anything worse than he is now in four years, and he is currently a very good second-line centre.
he's already got almost 10 years on those legs in the NHL. My sense of watching him over the past decade is that he will not be the wily mid-30s vet with an edge that you see him becoming.

If they sign him long-term for what he's asking for - i hope you are right. otherwise, it will be a decision we regret because he will not be tradeable at that salary if he's underperforming.
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2nd overall in the league, 10 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 3 years. Loads of cap space.

What!!

Flames could use some of that blind luck over the last 10 years.
Is this a joke? League handed all that to them on a silver platter for $$$$

It's such a unique situation you can't compare...besides, I could have picked a better team with what they were given.
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Completely reasonable.

Notable contracts at 5 million: Max Pacioretty, James Neal, Roman Josi, Tyler Johnson, Nazem Kardi, Valterri Filppula.
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Marchessault was just extended 5m x6 by the best management group that the NHL has ever seen.

He has 47 goals and 97 points since the start of last season

Monahan has 49 goals and 101 points over the same period playing an extra 12 games... almost exclusive with Gaudreau on his line.


Karlsson is having the break out that the Flames are hoping Jankowski gets over the next 2 seasons.


Will the Flames ever be in the position that the Knights are currently in?

If Jankowski (or Bennett) had 42 pts at this point in the season would you discount it because they were scoring at twice the rate they ever did before?
Marchessault has scored 18 and 51 points in his previous seasons. He's on pace this year for 80. The Knights are taking a much bigger gamble on him than the Flames would be with Backlund. If he reverts to a 51 point guy he's Backlund's equal with less defence. For 6 years.

Let's give the Vegas management a couple years before we say they are a better management group than, say, the Canadiens from, say 1953-60, or 1965-79. Or the Wings of the mid-late 90s. Or the Hawks under Bowman.
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Backlund is not reliable in the faceoff circle. He’s been sub-50% most of his career.
Which makes his advanced stats all the more impressive. Guy has a ton of defensive zone starts, and despite not winning a majority of face offs in those starts his corsi is still consistently good.
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