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Old 02-12-2018, 09:32 PM   #1
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This is nothing more than a (likely) obvious observation you'll say, but while I've always been aware of the difference in sport between male & female events, a lot of the recent snowboard & ski events thus far have really highlighted that I have forgotten how insanely different the caliber and level of performance is between the sexes in certain events. (hurr genetics!)

Mixed doubles curling you could hardly tell a difference between the sexes, but having watched the Slopestyle and now, half-pipe snowboard tonight with men & women back to back, it is like watching an entirely different sport. The female who just won gold in halfpipe just "stomped" the competition by completing one 1080 trick. Most males are pulling off runs 4x more technical than any female with 3+ 1080 tricks in a row (and that is a solid average run).

The real problem is that they are airing these events back to back which just draws direct comparison and the female events in juxtaposition are akin to watching a kids' version where they're happy with just completing a run without falling.

Same thing applies on the freestyle moguls, the trick portion - women are happy just doing a flip, while men are crushing insane tricks.

Call it a blatant observation, but it is almost a reaffirmation of the equality between sexes where besides 2 weeks every few years I forgot that we are really that different physically, and great to see that society has reached a point where I am shocked there is a difference only when it is put on show.

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Pretty sure my beer league team would pound the Korean Womens team. Canada or USA would beat us but still.

I watched the half pipe tonight too, top women were decent but the lower ranked ones (France lol) they looked like any intermediate weekend warrior you would see at the hill.
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This is nothing more than a (likely) obvious observation you'll say, but while I've always been aware of the difference in sport between male & female events, a lot of the recent snowboard & ski events thus far have really highlighted that I have forgotten how insanely different the caliber and level of performance is between the sexes in certain events. (hurr genetics!)

Mixed doubles curling you could hardly tell a difference between the sexes, but having watched the Slopestyle and now, half-pipe snowboard tonight with men & women back to back, it is like watching an entirely different sport. The female who just won gold in halfpipe just "stomped" the competition by completing one 1080 trick. Most males are pulling off runs 4x more technical than any female with 3+ 1080 tricks in a row (and that is a solid average run).

The real problem is that they are airing these events back to back which just draws direct comparison and the female events in juxtaposition are akin to watching a kids' version where they're happy with just completing a run without falling.

Same thing applies on the freestyle moguls, the trick portion - women are happy just doing a flip, while men are crushing insane tricks.

Call it a blatant observation, but it is almost a reaffirmation of the equality between sexes where besides 2 weeks every few years I forgot that we are really that different physically, and great to see that society has reached a point where I am shocked there is a difference only when it is put on show.
I know right. Why even put your daughter into sports of any kind, she'll never be as good as the boys so why even try. Thank god for home ec.

Green text aside I'm glad more girls are trying the "boy sports" more.
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This is nothing more than a (likely) obvious observation you'll say, but while I've always been aware of the difference in sport between male & female events, a lot of the recent snowboard & ski events thus far have really highlighted that I have forgotten how insanely different the caliber and level of performance is between the sexes in certain events. (hurr genetics!)

Mixed doubles curling you could hardly tell a difference between the sexes, but having watched the Slopestyle and now, half-pipe snowboard tonight with men & women back to back, it is like watching an entirely different sport. The female who just won gold in halfpipe just "stomped" the competition by completing one 1080 trick. Most males are pulling off runs 4x more technical than any female with 3+ 1080 tricks in a row (and that is a solid average run).

The real problem is that they are airing these events back to back which just draws direct comparison and the female events in juxtaposition are akin to watching a kids' version where they're happy with just completing a run without falling.

Same thing applies on the freestyle moguls, the trick portion - women are happy just doing a flip, while men are crushing insane tricks.

Call it a blatant observation, but it is almost a reaffirmation of the equality between sexes where besides 2 weeks every few years I forgot that we are really that different physically, and great to see that society has reached a point where I am shocked there is a difference only when it is put on show.
And still every single woman competing, is 100 times the athlete you’ll ever be.

What’s the point of your post? Seems like some sort of passive aggressive misogyny.

And lastly, our female athletes, if I’m correct, have absolutely dominated our men on the podium the last few games.
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I think the gap is much larger in these sports that have large gaps in participation between males and females. The male recreational snowboarding population is double females, and I'd guess that is even more pronounced in competitive snowboarding. It also doesn't hurt that it is a more lucrative sport for males, which means better access to coaching, technology, and more incentive to keep going in the sport.

Genetics is a significant factor, but I'd guess the gap wouldn't be nearly as big if the pool of competitors and money was equal to both sexes.
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This is nothing more than a (likely) obvious observation you'll say, but while I've always been aware of the difference in sport between male & female events, a lot of the recent snowboard & ski events thus far have really highlighted that I have forgotten how insanely different the caliber and level of performance is between the sexes in certain events. (hurr genetics!)

Mixed doubles curling you could hardly tell a difference between the sexes, but having watched the Slopestyle and now, half-pipe snowboard tonight with men & women back to back, it is like watching an entirely different sport. The female who just won gold in halfpipe just "stomped" the competition by completing one 1080 trick. Most males are pulling off runs 4x more technical than any female with 3+ 1080 tricks in a row (and that is a solid average run).

The real problem is that they are airing these events back to back which just draws direct comparison and the female events in juxtaposition are akin to watching a kids' version where they're happy with just completing a run without falling.

Same thing applies on the freestyle moguls, the trick portion - women are happy just doing a flip, while men are crushing insane tricks.

Call it a blatant observation, but it is almost a reaffirmation of the equality between sexes where besides 2 weeks every few years I forgot that we are really that different physically, and great to see that society has reached a point where I am shocked there is a difference only when it is put on show.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:27 AM   #10
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gf: Why do the figure pairs need to be mixed, why not have two guys?
me: because the two guys would annihilate the mixed pairs.
gf: *nuerotic gibberish*
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I know right. Why even put your daughter into sports of any kind, she'll never be as good as the boys so why even try. Thank god for home ec.
And what about those Paralympics? Those athletes will never be as good as able-bodied athletes.
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I think the gap is much larger in these sports that have large gaps in participation between males and females. The male recreational snowboarding population is double females, and I'd guess that is even more pronounced in competitive snowboarding. It also doesn't hurt that it is a more lucrative sport for males, which means better access to coaching, technology, and more incentive to keep going in the sport.

Genetics is a significant factor, but I'd guess the gap wouldn't be nearly as big if the pool of competitors and money was equal to both sexes.
I think this is a huge factor in the skill set different. If you look at a sport like figure skating you have 1 women who has landed a quad and now all of the elite men landing quads. The difference in ability between the elite groups right now is about 1/2 of a rotation (difference between triple axel and quad toe/loop).

Compare that to snowboarding where you have 1-2 full rotations or flips being added as the gender gap.

Another issue with snowboarding is the course design. The womens slopestyle course even excluding the wind was designed for Men. The length of the second jump to the knuckle was too far for the lighter athletes to be competitive. So you have some inherent bias that limits achievement just in the design of the sport.

But if you look at a sport like Bobsled, luge, speed skating, alpine skiing or XC skiing there is no skill based divide and the appearance of the sports and the excitement generated by watching them is the same. It is purely a genetic difference that separates the elite from the elite of each gender.

So outside of very few examples the Calibre of athlete of each gender is equal.
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True, few women do a triple axel.

Count the number of men doing a Beillman spin.
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True, few women do a triple axel.

Count the number of men doing a Beillman spin.
Patrick Chan and Brian Orser can't even do a triple axel.
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I'd love to see male curlers play the women. That may be the sport where the women would stand the best chance. The men would still prevail, in my opinion.
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Patrick Chan and Brian Orser can't even do a triple axel.
Orser probably can't now, but he landed the second one ever (in 1979) and the first one ever in the Olympics (in 1984). In fact, he then started throwing in more than one into routines.

Chan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jl7YqmrT64

Or are you joking about stumbles in the Olympics? If so, never mind.
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I'd love to see male curlers play the women. That may be the sport where the women would stand the best chance. The men would still prevail, in my opinion.
It wouldn't be close. The men threw the big weight much better and have a huge sweeping advantage. Homan would be lucky to win more than one in ten against Koe. On the other hand, Homan would beat the hell out of my men's team and pretty much every other club team.

I do think that the doubles format would really even the gap though - Homan & Miskew vs. Koe & Kennedy would be pretty close I think. The game just lends itself to rock placement more than the ability to clear rocks.
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Rachel Homan's team has been one of the best women's curling teams in recent years. Two years ago, they played in a tournament against 9 men's teams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Elite_10

The played 4 games in the round robin and only won one.
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