03-13-2019, 10:04 PM
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#121
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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But it’s not all up to the team. They can’t do it if the player says no thanks.
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03-13-2019, 10:20 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by calgaryred
His goal in game 6 against the Islanders in OT also cemented his legacy with many Leaf fans from the 70s era.
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That was a huge moment for the Leafs. It was game 7 though. And of course the quarterfinals, which kind of says it all really.
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03-13-2019, 10:23 PM
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#123
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
He was an RFA I believe. I don't think he had a contract.
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He had an arbitration awarded contract.
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03-13-2019, 10:34 PM
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#124
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by neo45
Then doesn’t that make it even dumber to call it “Forever a Flame”?
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Yup. That's part of why it rings false.
Forever a Flame. Except when they go to work every day.
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03-13-2019, 10:51 PM
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#125
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Yeah them retiring Bourque is silly IMO. I do have a pretty high threshold for jersey retirement and I get that everyone sees it differently.
Personally I'd only have 9, 12 and 14. Those three plus Maher and Fletcher are the icons of the franchise IMO, and all for different reasons. Which doesn't mean they were the best players or best people either.
I can see Gio getting there, but really needs some post season success.
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Didn't get to quote your post through Tapatalk, but I agree.
Good points.
Gio needs to win some playoff series as a future choice.
I see 2 as worthy and everything with the Blues is irrelevant. Stanley Cup, Conn Smythe, games played, points, assists, prime as a defenseman in a Flames uniform.
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03-15-2019, 08:46 AM
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#126
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Retire 34 and 14. 2 and 25 could be as well if you as me
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03-15-2019, 11:01 AM
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#127
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Scoring Winger
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I like the Ring of Honour idea the Canucks are using. Would make sense to delay until a new arena though.
Everyone who gets a display gets a night of recognition with a little ceremony, but it's not as marquee as a jersey retirement. Seems like a good compromise that doesn't have the weird "it's a banner, but not an official retirement banner, just a recognition banner" vibe.
If the Flames had something called like "The Eternal Flames" as a display in the new rink which is more of a permanent museum style display, migrate former Forever a Flame nominees over to that, and then have that as a clear differentiation between retired jerseys and standout Flames who fall short of a jersey retirement, that would seem like the best path forward. You could have larger/grander displays for the retired jersey inductees.
I don't think 34 should get a jersey retirement. Iginla should be the last for another 10-15 years at least.
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03-15-2019, 11:16 AM
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#128
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Lethbridge
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Lanny #9
Vernon #30
Iginla #12
All three deserved their numbers retired.
MacInnis #2
Niewy #25
Fleury #14
Kipper #34
All deserve to have their numbers retired as well.
Anybody who was not old enough to watch 1989 and beyond better go back and watch highlights of these players. They were all Amazing Flames!!
Honorable mention to Gary Suter #20 and Hakan Loob #12
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03-15-2019, 12:13 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Not to discount the contributions of Vernon, Nieuwendyk, or MacInnis (or any others that have been huge parts of Calgary and the Flames), but if I had my way there would only be two retired numbers:
#9: Lanny McDonald
#12: Jarome Iginla
These are the only two truly iconic Calgary Flames. Their names and images are synonymous with the team, and their contributions on the ice were matched or exceeded by their contributions and involvement in the greater community. Class acts in every sphere.
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03-15-2019, 12:33 PM
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#130
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Not to discount the contributions of Vernon, Nieuwendyk, or MacInnis (or any others that have been huge parts of Calgary and the Flames), but if I had my way there would only be two retired numbers:
#9: Lanny McDonald
#12: Jarome Iginla
These are the only two truly iconic Calgary Flames. Their names and images are synonymous with the team, and their contributions on the ice were matched or exceeded by their contributions and involvement in the greater community. Class acts in every sphere.
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I get that Lanny McDonald's involvement in the Flames community has been exceedingly enormous, but based strictly on hockey contributions to Calgary Flames, his numbers pale in comparison to guys like Fleury, Newy and MacInnis.
And Vernon has had zero involvement with the Flames since he retired.
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03-15-2019, 01:16 PM
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#131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamer
Not to discount the contributions of Vernon, Nieuwendyk, or MacInnis (or any others that have been huge parts of Calgary and the Flames), but if I had my way there would only be two retired numbers:
#9: Lanny McDonald
#12: Jarome Iginla
These are the only two truly iconic Calgary Flames.
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You are so wrong.
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03-15-2019, 01:26 PM
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#132
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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9, 12 and 34 should be retired, no question
Can't do anything with 30, what's done is done and I'm happy for him
No idea how you fix 25 and 2
14 doesn't deserve it, I'll respect the owners on this one
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03-15-2019, 01:27 PM
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#133
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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The Hall of Flames
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03-15-2019, 01:57 PM
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#134
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Franchise Player
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Seems like they should keep Forever a Flame because people can't seem to agree what to do with the players in it LOL
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03-15-2019, 02:37 PM
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#135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
You are so wrong.
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Excellent input. Compelling arguments.
Hey, to each their own. I can see why there's a case for 2, 14, 25, 30, and 34, but that is my opinion and stance on number retirements. It's the ultimate honor a franchise can bestow, and I think a player should check all the boxes I touched on.
You can't think of McDonald/Iginla and the Calgary Flames without thinking of the other. I can't necessarily say that for the others.
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03-15-2019, 02:46 PM
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#136
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamer
Not to discount the contributions of Vernon, Nieuwendyk, or MacInnis (or any others that have been huge parts of Calgary and the Flames), but if I had my way there would only be two retired numbers:
#9: Lanny McDonald
#12: Jarome Iginla
These are the only two truly iconic Calgary Flames. Their names and images are synonymous with the team, and their contributions on the ice were matched or exceeded by their contributions and involvement in the greater community. Class acts in every sphere.
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I am not that far from agreeing with this. When you add it all up, these two stand above all others.
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03-15-2019, 02:56 PM
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#137
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamer
Excellent input. Compelling arguments.
Hey, to each their own. I can see why there's a case for 2, 14, 25, 30, and 34, but that is my opinion and stance on number retirements. It's the ultimate honor a franchise can bestow, and I think a player should check all the boxes I touched on.
You can't think of McDonald/Iginla and the Calgary Flames without thinking of the other. I can't necessarily say that for the others.
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You are SO WRONG!
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03-15-2019, 03:01 PM
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#138
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper
14 doesn't deserve it, I'll respect the owners on this one
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Give one good reason why. The only argument one can possibly give is because of his conduct after leaving the Flames which all stemmed from being sexually abused as a child. Things he has put behind him and more then made amends for with his helping thousands of people with coping with their own demons. So either your basis is you just don't like the guy or you think sexual abuse victims are garbage. Take your pick.
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03-15-2019, 03:27 PM
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#139
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper
9, 12 and 34 should be retired, no question
Can't do anything with 30, what's done is done and I'm happy for him
No idea how you fix 25 and 2
14 doesn't deserve it, I'll respect the owners on this one
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my opinion says he does. he deserves it for his on ice play for the team.
I'm not going to refuse to forgive him, or condemn for life a guy who has had trouble fighting his demons.
and hey. even without his problems, he still might have been a dick, I don't know.
he can still be a jerk and one of the most amazing players I've watched. especially for his size in the era he played.
obviously many see him in a different light and not worthy of recognition. I get that. at least if the flames made a number retirement contingent on HHOF admittance, they could kick that can down the road.
I think iggy is the only player you'll ever have consensus on.
heck some people think lanny doesn't deserve his number retired. that's crazy to me.
my number retirement criteria would be
1) in the hockey hall of fame.
2) played for the flames longer than any other team, with a minimum 5 years.
3) if not with flames in their absolute prime, should have a flames cup win on their resume.
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03-15-2019, 03:28 PM
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#140
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Give one good reason why. The only argument one can possibly give is because of his conduct after leaving the Flames which all stemmed from being sexually abused as a child. Things he has put behind him and more then made amends for with his helping thousands of people with coping with their own demons. So either your basis is you just don't like the guy or you think sexual abuse victims are garbage. Take your pick.
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I agree with all of that, and I think Theo has arguably done more for the community than, say, Lanny, who, as I have said, is IMO a little overrated as far as his community status (again, I recognize a bit of bias because of a couple things about him that soured me).
I do think, however, that there is something non-public stopping Fleury from getting his recognition, and it's not that the Flames are just snubbing him.
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