Mike Smith's... woes? He blows? Eating crows? Who knows! (Also David Rittich exists!)

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I literally tonight said they can't go back to Smith.

What more do you want? I guess I could drop in a couple f-bombs or call him a piece of garbage if you want.

I've criticized plenty of players - including Johnny.

I hated Jiri Hudler the entire time he played here.
Just a few examples....

In fact my ENTIRE point in the last few years is that you should hold the players accountable for bad performance.


I don't get heated because that's not my nature. But that doesn't mean I haven't criticized players when they play poorly

And fair enough to not getting heated, that's understandable. But it should be easy for you to see why that laid back nature, coupled with statistics defending what an eye test clearly refutes, can make people question opinions of mods.

Edit: this isnt referring to Smith, but if you'd like I can go searching through both of your post histories to prove my point.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by PuckFather

Could it be that a trade to the Capitals/Lightning and change of scenery do wonders for him? I think those teams might take him with their goaltending situation/injuries.

Change of scenery to the AHL would do wonders for everyone involved.

[Manhattanboy]

As I said in the other thread Smith knows it’s over.

He’s a liability. With average goaltending Flames are one of the class of the league.

With Smith in net they are not a playoff team.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PuckFather

Could it be that a trade to the Capitals/Lightning and change of scenery do wonders for him? I think those teams might take him with their goaltending situation/injuries.

No ones taking him, he’s the joke of the league right now.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PuckFather

Could it be that a trade to the Capitals/Lightning and change of scenery do wonders for him? I think those teams might take him with their goaltending situation/injuries.

Why would they? Seriously at this point why would any team do that?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by sempuki

That probably makes him a good person. It's a *game* people. Say what you want good or bad, *none* of you call the shots. Maybe fans need to adjust their sense of perspective?

By all accounts, including some from people I know who know him personally, I hear Mike Smith is a great teammate and all around good guy. I wish nothing but the best for him in whatever happens to him from here on out.

That all said, this is a results business and as a Flames fan I hope that whatever happens to him doesn't involve ever skating out to the Flames's crease in Flames silks again. It's over.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by PuckFather

Could it be that a trade to the Capitals/Lightning and change of scenery do wonders for him? I think those teams might take him with their goaltending situation/injuries.

It's more likely that he calls it quits and retires. One can only hope I guess.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And fair enough to not getting heated, that's understandable. But it should be easy for you to see why that laid back nature, coupled with statistics defending what an eye test clearly refutes, can make people question opinions of mods.

Edit: this isnt referring to Smith, but if you'd like I can go searching through both of your post histories to prove my point.

Sure please go ahead.
Bingo and I are not the same guy. I'm far too lazy to use statistics to or dig in - in that manner. Bingo goes way deeper than I and understands advances stats far more than I do.

I enjoy reading some of the advanced analytics but I don't post much about them at all. If ever. In fact one of the only times was tonight when I referred to the analytics supporting pulling the goalie early. But that's about it.
If I have to apologize for being laid back and not losing my sh** then I don't know what to tell you. Sorry I guess?
My status as a mod should have no bearing on this. Unless we are getting back to the whole idea that Bingo and I are on the take?


So yeah please do take the time to prove whatever point you are trying to make.

[GioforPM]

Smith can't be traded right now. All they can do is waive him. But there's no one to bring up because Gillies and Parsons are hurt. Unless you want Schneider.

There are some backups to be had, but talk about dealing from a position of weakness. I think they just need to dress him as a backup for a long run of games - see if he can refocus given some backup time and get his head back together for a start sometime down the road.

And get his eyes checked.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And fair enough to not getting heated, that's understandable. But it should be easy for you to see why that laid back nature, coupled with statistics defending what an eye test clearly refutes, can make people question opinions of mods.

Edit: this isnt referring to Smith, but if you'd like I can go searching through both of your post histories to prove my point.

If someone criticizes a player but just doesn't fly off the handle, or looks to try and figure out the thinking and player assignment strategy of a coach, instead of flying off the handle and screaming at the clouds, I don't think their opinion is questionable. It's just a different approach.

[FlamesAddiction]

The thing that gets me, is that this was totally predictable. I disliked the acquisition to begin with because Smith was never an elite goalie, is overpaid and aging. I get that he is a good guy, but that should only get you so far.

He had a good run for a while last season for a short period of time, but overall he has been exactly what a lot of us expected.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Smith can't be traded right now. All they can do is waive him. But there's no one to bring up because Gillies and Parsons are hurt. Unless you want Schneider.

There are some backups to be had, but talk about dealing from a position of weakness. I think they just need to dress him as a backup for a long run of games - see if he can refocus given some backup time and get his head back together for a start sometime down the road.

And get his eyes checked.

I would think that Tre has been burning the phone lines enquiring about other goaltenders in this league that might be available. Probably only a matter of time before he pulls the trigger on a trade.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I say the Flames sign Smith long term now while his value is at an all time low so when he turns it around his contract is considered a steal. Now that is some out of the box thinking that our GM should be considering.

[RedHawk12]

Didn't watch the game tonight. Just saw the highlights...man that's disappointing.

I don't hate Smith; he seems like a great guy and I love his competitive spirit. When he first came here he was lights out and that was awesome. But when you're done, you're done. And Smith is done as an NHL goalie. It's too bad but everyone retires at some point.

It should be painfully obvious to Peters that that GWG was the last straw. I am confident Rittich is our guy now and moving forward. I hope we waive Smith and bring in another goalie, but my only worry is that Rittich still can't handle #1 duties like last year. Here's hoping I'm wrong or else it's going to be a frustrating season because the rest of our team has been awesome.

[The Yen Man]

No one comes out a winner against Father Time, that's just the way it goes. Smith should recognize that, and accept he's now a back up. If the team decides (and God I hope the team decides properly) that Rittich should get more starts, then rather than pout about it, take it graciously, work on your game as a back up, and be a good pro and teammate. That's all I ask of the guy. Just collect your $5M graciously, and please don't sewer the team. The team already gave you all the chances you deserved to win the starting job. You just don't have it anymore.

[PuckFather]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why would they? Seriously at this point why would any team do that?

Some teams may take a chance & if it doesn't work, they'll just waive him.

[stemit14]

I just can’t believe how much management/coaching has been willing to tolerate from smith. It’s ridiculous. It’s drives me crazy to hear the fan960 guys say things like “you need mike smith to get better” or “he is their number one” or “have to think about how to manage the goalies all season.” It’s stupid.

It is a very, very simple solution:

“Rittich, you are now the #1 goalie for this team. Smith, you are now the backup and if your play does not improve drastically in the next game we put you in (in December), we’ll have to find another backup goalie.”


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[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sure please go ahead.
Bingo and I are not the same guy. I'm far too lazy to use statistics to or dig in - in that manner. Bingo goes way deeper than I and understands advances stats far more than I do.

I enjoy reading some of the advanced analytics but I don't post much about them at all. If ever. In fact one of the only times was tonight when I referred to the analytics supporting pulling the goalie early. But that's about it.
If I have to apologize for being laid back and not losing my sh** then I don't know what to tell you. Sorry I guess?
My status as a mod should have no bearing on this. Unless we are getting back to the whole idea that Bingo and I are on the take?


So yeah please do take the time to prove whatever point you are trying to make.

Its a shame the forum only allows us to see the last 100 posts from a user because I distinctly remember you defending Elliot, Russell and a number of other plugs. No real point for me to make aside from the moderation being substantially more forgiving of bad plays than the rest of the posters.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by Bill Peters

Peters was asked about the goaltending competition brewing between Cam Ward and Eddie Lack, but completely played it down and called out Lack for his terrible season, citing the fact he ranked dead-last in save percentage among 60 goaltenders who had played at least 10 games this season.

“I don’t think it’s much of a competition,” Peters said. “I think we’ve got a guy who’s well ahead of the other guy. That’s what I see and the numbers back that up. So when he gets in again he better play. He better earn some respect from your teammates. Your teammates are out there working their bag off, you better get some saves. And a timely save at the right time wouldn’t hurt.

“That’s a little bit honest, eh?”

Hmm...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Its a shame the forum only allows us to see the last 100 posts from a user because I distinctly remember you defending Elliot, Russell and a number of other plugs. No real point for me to make aside from the moderation being substantially more forgiving of bad plays than the rest of the posters.

I was never an Elliot fan
But I also barely watched that season as life got crazy
So I probably didn’t say much of anything about him
As for other plugs? If you can’t even remember it is weak of you to bring it up

I may have defended Russell but I certainly was also aware of his flaws
So please stop describing me inaccurately as a poster if you can’t back it up
I may not criticize the same players you do or defend ones you hate but that should be ok too unless you’d like to simply outline what opinions it is ok for me to have and not have. Perhaps you could provide that to the entire moderation team for us to follow