Alberta sheriffs round up dozens from downtown Calgary mall and force them into jury

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

They need to up the anti for jury duty, $50.00 a day is far too small.

This.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by timun

Aren't you a police 911 dispatcher? I would think you'd be excluded from jury duty as an employee of the police service, although I admittedly don't know if that's the case or if you're considered an employee of the greater City of Calgary.

I am, and no one I've asked has been able to give me a straight answer. I am not a police officer nor hired by/employed by police, so I don't fall under their exemption. I work with them, but am employed by the City of Calgary. I'm not even in a City Union. I don't fit into any of the other exemption categories. So...I don't know. I suppose it'd come down to the lawyers/judge.

I have always wanted to be on a Jury, though. And the Summons I got was 15 years ago now, so before I started working for 911.

[chubeyr1]

Sad we round up a group of people by force to serve for jury duty on a weekend while eating lunch. Given a choice come with us or we will handcuff you and you will come with us.

I get that this is a law but who voted for it?

Put that on the next election platform for a politcal party. I bet none support it.

Yet some did in the past obviously.

Legal or not this should of never happened.

I wonder how the cases went after the government kidnapped the jury?

Would a normal person doubt that the accused might not have been given fair process? I would. Considering I was just kidnapped.

That judge should be fired.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Sad we round up a group of people by force to serve for jury duty on a weekend while eating lunch. Given a choice come with us or we will handcuff you and you will come with us.

I get that this is a law but who voted for it?

Put that on the next election platform for a politcal party. I bet none support it.

Yet some did in the past obviously.

Legal or not this should of never happened.

I wonder how the cases went after the government kidnapped the jury?

Would a normal person doubt that the accused might not have been given fair process? I would. Considering I was just kidnapped.

That judge should be fired.

Its not much different from normal jury duty except you get a letter in the mail for normal jury duty.

[PeteMoss]

I had to go to the court house twice for jury duty. The first time - we sat there for an hour and then when we got in the court room, they said the case was settled via settlement and we could all leave.

The second one I was there for a while, we had to come up to the front while they do what they do, then were sent to some jury room. I didn't get picked so I went home. I think I was there for like 5 hours.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Sad we round up a group of people by force to serve for jury duty on a weekend while eating lunch. Given a choice come with us or we will handcuff you and you will come with us.

I get that this is a law but who voted for it?

Put that on the next election platform for a politcal party. I bet none support it.

Yet some did in the past obviously.

Legal or not this should of never happened.

I wonder how the cases went after the government kidnapped the jury?

Would a normal person doubt that the accused might not have been given fair process? I would. Considering I was just kidnapped.

That judge should be fired.

I am not sure you get what you claim to get.

[timun]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Sad we round up a group of people by force to serve for jury duty on a weekend while eating lunch. Given a choice come with us or we will handcuff you and you will come with us.

I get that this is a law but who voted for it?

Put that on the next election platform for a politcal party. I bet none support it.

Yet some did in the past obviously.

Legal or not this should of never happened.

I wonder how the cases went after the government kidnapped the jury?

Would a normal person doubt that the accused might not have been given fair process? I would. Considering I was just kidnapped.

That judge should be fired.

They didn't force people to serve on a jury, they made them appear for jury selection. And it happened on Thursday, not on the weekend; court doesn't even sit on the weekends.

This particular proviso of the Criminal Code has been in there forever. It has existed in English common law for centuries. It's rarely used, and wouldn't have to have been used if more people showed up for selection in the first place.

You know what's not a fair trial? A jury trial with only half the number of requisite jurors. It's precisely why "ordering a tales" exists in the first place.

[RobotTalk]

Just inform the Sheriff and/or judge that you know about jury nullification and that you intend to exercise that power if selected. You'll be dismissed with, at most, a stern talking to.

https://www.thecourt.ca/r-v-krieger-...tive-mens-rea/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by RobotTalk

Just inform the Sheriff and/or judge that you know about jury nullification and that you intend to exercise that power if selected. You'll be dismissed with, at most, a stern talking to.

https://www.thecourt.ca/r-v-krieger-...tive-mens-rea/

Did... did you even read your own link? What the hell are you even talking about? "Exercise that power"... good grief, this is how Freemen on the Land happen.

[GirlySports]

Would have been interesting. So summoned to go to the court house and then what? Have to call back to the office for the afternoon off? A boss like Locke wouldn't believe you

[timun]

Originally Posted by RobotTalk

Just inform the Sheriff and/or judge that you know about jury nullification and that you intend to exercise that power if selected. You'll be dismissed with, at most, a stern talking to.

https://www.thecourt.ca/r-v-krieger-...tive-mens-rea/

You can tell the sheriffs whatever the hell you want but I'd wager if you prattle on about jury nullification they'll make sure you're served a summons and show up for selection, just so you have to sit there in the court room and stew for the afternoon.

If you make it as far as getting called in front of the judge and you ask to be excused you're probably going to be asked to articulate why you would find a hypothetically guilty man innocent in that particular case. Good luck if the case is something grievous like a sexual assault; even if you are excused the sheriffs are going to give the police a ring and let 'em know your views.

The officers of the court have very little patience for dip####s trying to weasel out of jury duty.

[Jason14h]

I always assumed if you didnt want to go to jury duty they effectively didn't want you there and would excuse

I have gotten the mail letter and replied asking to be excused. Literally wrote " I will be working and can't miss work" and both times it was granted.

Couldn't you write " I am a crazy racist who believes to earth if flat and everyone is a criminal" if you want out?

Doesn't the court want people in the Jury who will pay attention and do their best, not someone annoyed to be there.

Is this an actual problem the court faces that people get all the way down to selection and in front of the judge and then try to get out/cause issues?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Couldn't you write " I am a crazy racist who believes to earth if flat and everyone is a criminal" if you want out?

Hmmm... let me think...

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Hmmm... let me think...

Openly lying during jury selection is contempt of court.

However, when you get a summons there is a box and you can write any reason you don't think or can't appear on the Jury

I always assumed anyone who wrote anything in there was instantly dismissed as the court wouldn't want a person who doesn't want to be there appearing.

And how could the court prove I am not a racist believer in flat earth and that everyone is a criminal, especially if I claim it on a form. It would be automatic appeal for the defense if I was on the Jury.

So does anyone who actually works for in the system have an actual first hand experience with the dismissal pre-trail of juror candidates who ask to be dismissed on the form and how many get granted, etc?

[timun]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I always assumed if you didnt want to go to jury duty they effectively didn't want you there and would excuse

I have gotten the mail letter and replied asking to be excused. Literally wrote " I will be working and can't miss work" and both times it was granted.

Couldn't you write " I am a crazy racist who believes to earth if flat and everyone is a criminal" if you want out?

Doesn't the court want people in the Jury who will pay attention and do their best, not someone annoyed to be there.

Almost all of people who get a summons don't want to be there. They don't care about whether you want to do it, they only care whether you can.

Writing some stupid gibberish on the summons form is not going to get you out of it. If anything it's all the more incentive to make you show up for selection. Like I wrote earlier, they have very little patience for dip####s trying to weasel out of jury duty.

The summons is a court order. If you have a legitimate excuse, even if it's for conscientiousness reasons, then you bring that forward and write it down. They don't look kindly on people trying to be funny. Willfully disobeying a court order is grounds for a contempt of court charge.

Is this an actual problem the court faces that people get all the way down to selection and in front of the judge and then try to get out/cause issues?

In my experience, as someone who was averaging a summons per year for a bit, it happens. The first jury selection I was called to almost everyone who went before the judge asked to be excused. Most were granted the excuse and dismissed, generally for the reasons of financial hardship, prearranged plans to be out-of-town, or because they were caring for a dependent and couldn't find someone to take their place for the expected duration of the trial. However, a few were not excused. One I remember pretty clearly, a tatted-up woman who showed up in ratty-looking shorts and a t-shirt; I don't know what her excuse was but the judge was not having it, and counsels had run out of their peremptory challenges so she ended up on the jury.

[Locke]

I still think having Cowboys on horseback lassoing office workers in a foodcourt and wrangling them to Jury selection would be a way more fun method.

I mean...you could televise that. I'd pay to watch that.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

I still think having Cowboys on horseback lassoing office workers in a foodcourt and wrangling them to Jury selection would be a way more fun method.

I mean...you could televise that. I'd pay to watch that.

Don't lie, you'd still pirate it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Don't lie, you'd still pirate it.

Oooh....Pirates vs. Cowboys...get some Space Aliens and unwilling Jurors in there and you've got next Summer's Blockbuster hit!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oooh....Pirates vs. Cowboys...get some Space Aliens and unwilling Jurors in there and you've got next Summer's Blockbuster hit!

I don't remember Cowboys vs. Aliens doing very well but either way your idea sounds even worse.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don't remember Cowboys vs. Aliens doing very well but either way your idea sounds even worse.

Philistine. No appreciation for Fine Art.