Canucks at Flames 7:30pm MT SNW and Fan 960

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, it could be as simple as small sample size and is due to revert to the mean.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So we have a stat here - on the PK, the Flames give up a fair number of shots, but Rittich's numbers are awesome - so the question is: what should we conclude from that?

Does it suggest that, on the PK, Rittich suddenly ups his game and becomes the best goalie in the league, then settles back into his normal self, post-PK?

Or does it maybe suggest the Flames are giving up a fair number of shots, but the shots aren't all that dangerous overall, compared to other teams, allowing Rittich to put up best-in-the-league numbers?

For me, the latter explanation is far more likely and plausible.

Do we also give up a fair number of shots because we don’t give up a fair number of goals? Less P.K. goals would equal more PK time & shots

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Do we also give up a fair number of shots because we don’t give up a fair number of goals? Less P.K. goals would equal more PK time & shots

Which speaks well to Rittich, not the PKers.

In all likelihood, it is a combination of all of the points listed, along with some randomness.

[Strange Brew]

With regards to the PK, let’s remember that the original point was that Hamonic was an elite penalty killer as evidenced by the team’s success in the PK. To me that’s the conclusion that has little support. It is a combination of a great many things.

I also don’t mind a Bennett scratch. I’m not a hater, the guy is an NHLer. But he is not above a healthy scratch now and then, as other players need to rotate in and the gap just isn’t that great between him and others, for a variety of reasons. His production is still replacement level.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Had a pretty bad game against the Oilers. Needs a kick in the backend to be honest. Guy has a ton more to give and is holding back.

It's weird, but he seems to have toned down his game. That's not Benny what so ever.

Disagree. McDavid had a bad game, in part because he was often matched up against Bennett.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by motorcrosser

Need flames retro white with Canucks black retro please.

The Flames will be wearing their retros tonight, but the red ones, not the white. In fact, the Flames will be wearing the red retros in each of their next 5 home games and 6 of their next 7.

[868904]

Flames shat the bed on Iginla night last year, let’s hope they make things right on Iginla bobble head night.

[JonDuke]

How does the bobble head giveaway work tonight?
Is it the first XXXX amount of people that come through the main entrance only?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

With regards to the PK, let’s remember that the original point was that Hamonic was an elite penalty killer as evidenced by the team’s success in the PK. To me that’s the conclusion that has little support. It is a combination of a great many things.

I also don’t mind a Bennett scratch. I’m not a hater, the guy is an NHLer. But he is not above a healthy scratch now and then, as other players need to rotate in and the gap just isn’t that great between him and others, for a variety of reasons. His production is still replacement level.

So the guy that plays the most time per game killing penalties on the 2nd best (elite by definition) PK unit in the entire league...is not evidence that he is an elite PKer?

OK then.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So the guy that plays the most time per game killing penalties on the 2nd best (elite by definition) PK unit in the entire league...is not evidence that he is an elite PKer?

OK then.

Well I think Rittich has more time on the PK than Hamonic.

And I don’t subscribe to the belief that being on the ice when good things happen is the qualifier for being elite. It’s evidence, but not sufficient for a conclusion. Which isn’t a criticism of Hamonic as he seems to be just fine on the PK.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

With regards to the PK, let’s remember that the original point was that Hamonic was an elite penalty killer as evidenced by the team’s success in the PK. To me that’s the conclusion that has little support. It is a combination of a great many things.

I also don’t mind a Bennett scratch. I’m not a hater, the guy is an NHLer. But he is not above a healthy scratch now and then, as other players need to rotate in and the gap just isn’t that great between him and others, for a variety of reasons. His production is still replacement level.

It is this year for sure.

But his production has been strong third line contributor for years, which is the better sample size.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It is this year for sure.

But his production has been strong third line contributor for years, which is the better sample size.

Sue but I’m good with the coach focused on his current play when making out the lineup card. Not like it’s a permanent decision.

[Harry Lime]

An interesting question could be...

If Bennett can play so well in a shutdown role, is he a possible replacement for Backlund in that role? Their offensive instincts are similar, but Bennett is more physical and cheaper.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sue but I’m good with the coach focused on his current play when making out the lineup card. Not like it’s a permanent decision.

I agree with that part 100%.

He has been off this year, and coming off an injury. Plus a team with depth has to cycle players in ... that's why I don't lose it when Stone comes in once and a while.

Forwards 13/14 and Dman 7 can't just sit there for 9 weeks in a row and then be disapointed because they're not ready when an injury comes along.

But on production average Bennett was a 6.5 forward last year in the NHL (points per 60), not replacement level.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That is a very impressive stat.

No one plays more PK time per game than Travis Hamonic...yet many are trying to run him out of town....for "picks".

Maybe he actually contributes a bunch more than many of us think?

He appears to have declined foot speed and isn't the D-man he used to be, having said that I believe the idea behind trading one of Hamonic or Brodie isn't just to "run the guy out of town for 'picks', it was

a) from an asset management side, don't lose two top 4 defensemen for nothing unless you feel you're a contender, and;

b) Trade from a position of strength to upgrade our top 6 forwards that badly need another scoring threat if we wish to contend.

[FBI]

Janko WILL score a point and the flames WILL win.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I agree with that part 100%.

He has been off this year, and coming off an injury. Plus a team with depth has to cycle players in ... that's why I don't lose it when Stone comes in once and a while.

Forwards 13/14 and Dman 7 can't just sit there for 9 weeks in a row and then be disapointed because they're not ready when an injury comes along.

But on production average Bennett was a 6.5 forward last year in the NHL (points per 60), not replacement level.

Agree with his production last year being above replacement level. It was solid third line material. But he’s also in that area where a sustained period of play below that level puts him in the healthy scratch danger zone. It would be different if he was a consistent 30 goal scorer and you’d be confident in a rebound.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That is a very impressive stat.

No one plays more PK time per game than Travis Hamonic...yet many are trying to run him out of town....for "picks".

Maybe he actually contributes a bunch more than many of us think?

It’s because Brodie isn’t struggling as much these days, both are UFAs, we have Valimaki coming back, the 2nd pairing has been bad, and we need cap space to improve our forwards.

Personally I think the 2nd pairing has struggled mostly because of Hanifin but understand why Hamonic is the scapegoat.

I’d be happy if we kept either one of Brodie or Hamonic but the one thing that I worry about is not getting anything for either one of them if they leave as UFAs.

That would be a major fail in my books.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I hope everyone plays Petterson hard but don't end up taking bad penalties. Also hit Hughes anytime you can too.

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[Enoch Root]

An interesting stat on the division so far this year...

I don't care about point totals so much, because teams have played a different number of games. So I look at games above .500. Here are the top 5 teams in the division (currently), first in October, then since October:

Oct:
EDM: +5
VAN: +5
VGS: +3
ARI: +3
CGY: +1

Since:
CGY: +4
ARI: +3
VGS: +3
VAN: 0
EDM: -2

It has turned upside down (to no one's surprise). This division is there for the taking, for any team that can put a run together.

A regulation win tonight would give us some separation over VAN and EDM.