Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

You think if johnny walks and Tkachuk just take his Quilifying offer we should just play on this season. Would you still like the g.m at the end of next year knowing Tkachuk could walk for zip. That is insanity to me.

For the record I want both players back.

I think the last two full NHL seasons are two of the best in franchise history

To fire a GM because a guy decides he wants to play closer to home would be beyond stupid

Also, you are going to fire a guy because Tkachuk might walk? So the new guy forces him to stay?

It's far more likely Tkachuk signs long term or is traded, basically zero chance he walks IMO

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

You think if johnny walks and Tkachuk just take his Quilifying offer we should just play on this season. Would you still like the g.m at the end of next year knowing Tkachuk could walk for zip. That is insanity to me.

Tell you what: Let's fire Treliving and hire a new GM. Tkachuk will still be eligible to walk next season, so we can fire that GM too. Keep on firing GMs every season until the league abolishes free agency. That'll fix it!

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They freaking should be. They suck. Absolutely locked in mediocrity with no real way out. They made the conference finals riding the best coach in the league at the time, and he's gone.

This is ridiculous. They ended up with 84 pts this year, and almost certainly would have been in the mix in a weak division like the PAC. They lost the last 4 games of their 13 (thirteen) game road trip, and then their next 4 at home (+ 3 more OTLs).

No team has ever had a more valid excuse for a terrible losing streak. Imagine living out of your suitcase for a month trying to play competitive hockey against guys who...aren't living out of a suitcase.

Dobson is 22
Barzal and Beauvillier both just turned 25
Pelech/Pulock turn 28 this summer/fall and are locked up on sweetheart deals for another 7/8 years
Sorokin turns 27 soon (though only 2 yrs to UFA)

Overall their young core isn't necessarily any better than CGY's, but they at least lock down more important positions.

They've got too many guys in their earlier 30s eating up cap space, but none of the deals stand out as particularly bad. Lee and Cizikas are the only ones that go past age 34. Palmieri is probably the most concerning, though it might be a chicken/egg thing as his TOI and OZs% are down from his productive years, too.

Their division and conference remain really tough, but I'd expect them to be back in the mix next year.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Tell you what: Let's fire Treliving and hire a new GM. Tkachuk will still be eligible to walk next season, so we can fire that GM too. Keep on firing GMs every season until the league abolishes free agency. That'll fix it!

OK...your cute

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

OK...your cute

You just can't assume the worst and then fire a guy because of it

People wanted to fire the GM last summer because they were supposedly a bottom 5 team without Gio

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You just can't assume the worst and then fire a guy because of it

People wanted to fire the GM last summer because they were supposedly a bottom 5 team without Gio

I want him to be gone to start a rebuild. If johnny leaves.

BT has hired multiple bad coaches that killed our window. Put the team in cap problems with bad signings. The hamonic trade was so damn bad. Reports of a close contract extension with JG before the season started and couldn't get it done. Tkachuk put in the driver's seat with all the leverage.

How many mistakes and bad choices does he get??

[YourMother]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

OK...your cute

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[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by YourMother

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Oh snap!

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at what the Flames media pages have been posting lately and follow the clues. I fully expect long term deals announced in the next few weeks for both Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Uhh have you fully thought this through? So, let’s suppose the people responsible for these posts have been made aware of the signings, it would definitely have been leaked if this is how low down the totem pole that information has been disseminated to. Also, why? What on earth would the Flames organization have to gain by hinting to fans that an announcement was imminent?

If the deal was done, Friedman or someone else would’ve leaked it, that’s how it typically works… you are entering beautiful mind territory, and not the Nobel prize winning stuff.

[dino7c]

Not saying the media guys know but they likely would want to announce such a monumental double signing after the finals

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying the media guys know but they likely would want to announce such a monumental double signing after the finals

Maybe mang signed as well and it's a 3 way 🤔

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Treliving maybe gone if Gaudreau leaves, and then Sutter may elect to pull the plug himself if the team looks to take a step backward.

Both of these are really far from reality. But if on some off chance Trelivng got fired, the second part about Sutter pulling the plug on this team (because he got promoted to GM?) is straight off of Pluto.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying the media guys know but they likely would want to announce such a monumental double signing after the finals

It will be announced as soon as it happens if it does happen. The only variable will be if media can leak it before it is announced. There's no scenario where the most sought after free agent re-signs with the Flames and they sit on it and wait until after the finals.

Plus, this is brought up often "maybe they're waiting until after the finals so it's not a distraction". Players re-siging, even high calibre ones isn't enough of a distraction for the NHL to intervene and ask for it to wait, let alone for the team itself to wait because they care so much about not creating a distraction.

It's not a thing. If he re-signed tomorrow, it would be talked about a decent amount, but the finals would be king for 95% of any show or broadcast relating to the finals, lol.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I want him to be gone to start a rebuild. If johnny leaves.

BT has hired multiple bad coaches that killed our window. Put the team in cap problems with bad signings. The hamonic trade was so damn bad. Reports of a close contract extension with JG before the season started and couldn't get it done. Tkachuk put in the driver's seat with all the leverage.

How many mistakes and bad choices does he get??

That's a pretty one sided way of looking at his time as GM...team has drastically improved under Brad despite being in one of the harder markets in the league to attract players. Flames have 2 division titles in 4 years...really the last two full NHL seasons. Three of the NHL's 10 team all stars, multiple guys up for major awards.

and again you're blaming him for things that haven't even happened...Tkachuk is going to sign long term or be traded, he is not walking for nothing. Gaudreau? hindsight is nice, if he offered him 10x8 last summer people would have been losing their ####.

Find me a GM that hasn't made moves that didn't work out, oh and who also wants to take over the Calgary job

If the Flames fired Brad he would have a GM job in about 10 minutes, he just finished top 5 in Jim Gregory voting (GM of the year) all Flames homers voting I guess

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It will be announced as soon as it happens if it does happen. The only variable will be if media can leak it before it is announced. There's no scenario where the most sought after free agent re-signs with the Flames and they sit on it and wait until after the finals.

Plus, this is brought up often "maybe they're waiting until after the finals so it's not a distraction". Players re-siging, even high calibre ones isn't enough of a distraction for the NHL to intervene and ask for it to wait, let alone for the team itself to wait because they care so much about not creating a distraction.

It's not a thing. If he re-signed tomorrow, it would be talked about a decent amount, but the finals would be king for 95% of any show or broadcast relating to the finals, lol.

If they announce a deal within 24 hours of the finals ending you owe me a coke

[Macman]

Another poster mentioned it a couple pages back and it’s the real leverage players and Johnny have when they get to be a UFA. And with the tampering rules, why shouldn’t he talk to teams that are interested in signing him. If Gaudreau chooses to leave and sign with another team it will be his decision and I think you have to respect that decision, it’s not anything Treliving or the Flames did or didn’t do.

I still think he’s going to re-sign here.

[keenan87]

For those giving Treliving a pass if Gaudreau leaves - give me a break. This is not new - he has had a few years to figure out whether Gaudreau wants to re-sign or not. This is a player that people have always been iffy about in terms of re-signing - this isn't hometown hero if let's say Cale Makar played for the Flames.

A sign of good leadership is to know when to make difficult decisions. If he wasn't 100% confident that he would be able to sign Gaudreau, a trade should have been made last off-season.

Instead, he took a gamble and now will potentially lose a superstar for absolute zero return. That is a sign of a GM who fell in love with his players too much and couldn't make the hard calls.

If he is able to re-sign him, then great.

[Poe969]

Gaudreau is one of the best players the Flames ever had. If he walks and the Flames get nothing back, the blame has to fall on someone. Full stop.

Sure, it's his choice but there should have been a line in the sand. You can't afford to lose players like that for nothing, and this isn't hindsight, it's asset management. Even letting it get to this point is bad because they now have to either give him a huge contract or get nothing for him. If they give him a huge contract, they can't afford to improve the team much (and they weren't good enough already). If he walks and they get no return, they won't be able to replace his production (and again, they weren't good enough).

They should have had a contact agreed on by last year's draft, if he wasn't willing to sign then(and announced it as soon as free agency hit) they should have traded him.

[SuperMatt18]

What if the blame falls on ownership? Maybe they told Treliving to take the risk that these guys walk and they wanted to try to recoup some lost revenue from previous years.

With Gaudreau the Flames made the playoffs this year and got 7 home playoff games.

Even if playoff tickets were only worth an average of $150 per seat per game (probably a safe estimate) then that was worth $20M in revenue to the Flames owners.

I think ownership takes the strong season and $20M in playoff revenue over a couple of 1st round picks for Gaudreau.

As fans we only care about winning, but there is proof that this ownership group cares about just making the playoffs and revenue more.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by keenan87

For those giving Treliving a pass if Gaudreau leaves - give me a break. This is not new - he has had a few years to figure out whether Gaudreau wants to re-sign or not. This is a player that people have always been iffy about in terms of re-signing - this isn't hometown hero if let's say Cale Makar played for the Flames.

A sign of good leadership is to know when to make difficult decisions. If he wasn't 100% confident that he would be able to sign Gaudreau, a trade should have been made last off-season.

Instead, he took a gamble and now will potentially lose a superstar for absolute zero return. That is a sign of a GM who fell in love with his players too much and couldn't make the hard calls.

If he is able to re-sign him, then great.

I completely agree with you but at the same time, I feel like it was a risk worth taking (holding into him, and taking a run at the Cup). Sure it didn’t work out, but I do admire a GM willing to roll the dice and take a shot. See Columbus, that one year they went all out at the deadline. It makes things more interesting.

Sure, it could result in a couple years of pain thereafter, but a deep run is worth that trade off I think.

Takes some guts to make that call, knowing that it most likely results in not winning a cup, losing your superstar and then you losing your job.