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Old 09-29-2020, 05:19 PM   #621
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Drawing a conclusion that you can't trade for a goalie and win the cup, based on the fact that the last 8 years were all drafted goalies, is flat out stupid. Sorry, but it is. There is no reason why a traded goalie can't win the cup.

Prior to the period quoted, there were traded goalies that won the cup. And guess what, there will be in the future as well.

It is human nature to see patterns - even when patterns don't exist. One of the consequences of this human trait is that we are quick to draw conclusions from data that are unwarranted.
I don't think anyone's said it's impossible. My conclusion would be that it's a move in the wrong direction and not a great way to spend key assets or precious cap space.

The career path of the goalie probably isn't the thing that matters. More likely it's an indicator of teams who are patient, scout/draft/develop well, and don't waste many assets chasing short-term gains until they are actually built to contend.
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Old 09-30-2020, 10:09 AM   #622
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Man, I wish we had a little guy like Point.
Size wise you do have a little guy like Point, but he doesn't have the heart and intestinal fortitude that Point has.
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:02 PM   #623
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Yeah, I don't know if Johnny and Point are too far off from a pure skill perspective, but Point really separates himself by driving the net, going to dirty areas, and fighting through checks. He has a bit of a chip on his shoulder that really elevates his play.
I think Johnny is competitive enough, but he just doesn't seem to have the drive (or frame) to push into the dirty areas regularly to lift himself beyond what he currently is.
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:26 PM   #624
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Yeah, I don't know if Johnny and Point are too far off from a pure skill perspective, but Point really separates himself by driving the net, going to dirty areas, and fighting through checks. He has a bit of a chip on his shoulder that really elevates his play.
I think Johnny is competitive enough, but he just doesn't seem to have the drive (or frame) to push into the dirty areas regularly to lift himself beyond what he currently is.
This is true.

But Johnny might end up being much more durable, if he's not already.
I wouldn't be surprised if Point regresses at a much earlier age than Johnny does.
Although this isn't a hard and fast rule, Martin St. Louis managed to win the Art Ross at 37.
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Hedman won the Conn Smythe with votes 9-8-1 and Point finished 8-8-2.
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Yeah cause the Montreal guy didn’t even have Point on his ballot.
I guess he missed the point.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:36 AM   #627
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The Lightning have really only won 1 cup though...
Exactly. It was sickening to hear Brendan Batchelor calling the SCF on SN radio say "the Lightning win their 2nd Stanley Cup."
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Old 10-01-2020, 07:17 AM   #628
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This is true.

But Johnny might end up being much more durable, if he's not already.
I wouldn't be surprised if Point regresses at a much earlier age than Johnny does.
Although this isn't a hard and fast rule, Martin St. Louis managed to win the Art Ross at 37.
you want a good, durable small guy who can't elevate his game, shies away from the dirty work, and disappears in the playoffs? or a balls to the wall little guy who is a leader on a cup champion?

perhaps being more durable doesn't seem to be much of a selling point, especially if you're comparing him to Point.
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Old 10-01-2020, 08:38 AM   #629
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i would also say it is harder to play C versus W.

i may be biased, but IMHO point drives play when he is out on the ice. Johnny not as much.

johnny may miss less games due to injury, but who is more determined in the dirty areas?
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