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Old 05-15-2019, 08:22 PM   #1061
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Well, they need to take the focus off the homefront, especially with a recession on the horizon and the economic decisions of the past two years coming home to roost...
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:47 PM   #1062
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There really is a tweet for everything. Here's a couple 2012 Trump tweets...


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"Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin -- watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate."(10/9/12)


"Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get elected--be careful Republicans!" (10/22/12)

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Old 05-15-2019, 09:32 PM   #1063
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Lindsay Graham should go visit the troops in the ME now like he likes to do and explain to them that their chances of coming home in a body bag just went way up, because their President is a fkn moron
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:44 AM   #1064
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There really is a tweet for everything. Here's a couple 2012 Trump tweets...
More of that
https://twitter.com/statuses/141604554855825408
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Old 05-16-2019, 10:44 AM   #1065
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Trump pardons Conrad Black. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that Black wrote a glowing book about him and helped build Trump Tower in Chicago.

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/16/186276...d-black-pardon

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On Wednesday, President Donald Trump followed through on a campaign promise he made to Conrad Black, a former media mogul and business partner, by pardoning him for fraud and obstruction of justice convictions.

In late 2015, Black — who was convicted in 2007 and spent more than three years in prison before being released in 2012 — wrote a piece for National Review headlined “Trump Is the Good Guy.”

“It is time to look more seriously at the Donald Trump presidential candidacy,” the piece begins. “Donald Trump — who, I should disclose, is an old friend, a fine and generous and loyal man, and a delightful companion — is striking very close to the heart of the American problem: the corrupt, dysfunctional political system and the dishonest media.”

Trump, who also partnered with Black in the construction of Trump Tower in Chicago, shared Black’s piece on Twitter, adding that “[a]s one of the truly great intellects & my friend, I won’t forget!”
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Black’s National Review piece wasn’t the only time he penned praise for Trump. More recently, he wrote a book titled Donald J Trump: A President Like No Other. The book describes Trump as “not, in fact, a racist, sexist, warmonger, hothead, promoter of violence, or a foreign or domestic economic warrior.”

“Like the country he represents, Donald Trump possesses the optimism to persevere and succeed, the confidence to affront tradition and convention, a genius for spectacle, and a firm belief in common sense and the common man,” the first page begins.
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In addition to Black, the White House announced on Wednesday that Trump is pardoning Patrick Nolan, a former Republican leader of the California state assembly who pleaded guilty to a racketeering charge and spent 29 months in federal custody. The Washington Post notes that Nolan, like Black, is close to Trump. Last year, Nolan, who now works with the American Conservative Union Foundation’s Center for Criminal Justice Reform, publicly criticized the Mueller investigation, telling RealClearPolitics it was evidence of a legal system in which lawmakers “decide who they’re going to prosecute and then hunt for a crime.”
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:02 AM   #1066
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Great stuff from Sam Bee last night on the abortion debate.


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I’m not so sure it’s posturing: while Russia is opposed, Israel and the Saudis are gung-ho. Israel was the “source” of the latest “classified intel”, and the Saudis would love to have the regional rivals destroyed by a superpower. The Saudis have also been quite chummy with Russia of late, so Russian support for Iran has definitely weakened.

And then there’s Bolton.

This is an almost unbelievably scary situation. A war with Iran would cost millions upon millions of lives.
This is the only thing that matters.

Set aside the media circus of the Russia investigation. Putin knows what he did. Trump knows what Putin did. Putin controls Trump.

Trump can't give a press conference that's displeasing to Putin, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest he's going to be able to start a war with Iran against the wishes of his patron.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:03 PM   #1068
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Not like we need more evidence that these people are disgusting frauds.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti...ry?id=50274843

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Pennsylvania Rep. Tim Murphy has resigned after a report surfaced earlier this week that he had asked an extramarital lover to end her pregnancy.

Murphy, a Republican who co-sponsored a 20-week abortion ban that passed in the House Tuesday, allegedly asked his lover to terminate her pregnancy, according to text message records acquired by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

"And you have zero issue posting your pro-life stance all over the place when you had no issue asking me to abort our unborn child just last week when we thought that was one of the options," allegedly wrote Edwards in a text exchange that was a part of a number of documents obtained by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

A response from Murphy's phone number allegedly read, "I get what you say about my March for life messages. I've never written them. Staff does them. I read them and winced. I told staff don't write any more. I will."
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:17 PM   #1070
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Not like we need more evidence that these people are disgusting frauds.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti...ry?id=50274843
This is from October 2017?
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This is from October 2017?
Whoops. My bad.
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I mean, it's still hilarious and sad but I was a bit surprised that Republicans were only looking for a 20-week ban, what with the 6-week ones we've seen recently.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:29 PM   #1073
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I thought this was pretty bang on for what's happening in Alabama right now...
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Not that Alabama is really high on anybody's travel bucket list, but does this now open up a Pandora's Box for women visiting the US from other countries where they may have had legal abortions or even medical doctors that have performed abortions? Do they have now have to worry about whether they'll be charged with a crime or made inadmissible if they don't want to answer the question.
These abortion laws would see doctors who preform abortions charged. Women that have abortions performed on them will not be charged.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:31 PM   #1075
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These abortion laws would see doctors who preform abortions charged. Women that have abortions performed on them will not be charged.
I haven't read the bill so I'll take your word for it. But that doesn't explain the possible investigations into women that have miscarriages.

Anyway you slice it this is a pretty disgusting bill.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:36 PM   #1076
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Is it possible to be pro-choice and yet think there should be some limitations on when women should be able to have abortions?

Because that's where I fall.
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I haven't read the bill so I'll take your word for it. But that doesn't explain the possible investigations into women that have miscarriages.

Anyway you slice it this is a pretty disgusting bill.
The investigation would be to determine if someone gave the pregnant woman something to induce an aborted pregnancy. The pregnant woman herself cannot be charged.

David French does a good review of the Georgia heartbeat bill if you are interested.

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The heartbeat bill did not repeal a number of Georgia criminal statutes that explicitly apply to abortions and unborn children, and it does not overrule controlling legal authority holding that these statutes bar prosecution of a woman for terminating her own pregnancy.
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The investigation would be to determine if someone gave the pregnant woman something to induce an aborted pregnancy. The pregnant woman herself cannot be charged.

David French does a good review of the Georgia heartbeat bill if you are interested.



https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ave-abortions/
Thanks for this.

It certainly clears up some of the sensationalizations I have been seeing and kind of incredulous about.
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So if a woman takes steps independently of anyone else to induce a miscarriage, there are no charges to anyone, but if she receives any assistance, the person providing that assistance can be charged? If that's the case, that's horrifying.

(Excepting of course for the fact that this is all political theatre to get abortion before the supreme court again, also horrifying but for different reasons.)
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Thanks for this.

It certainly clears up some of the sensationalizations I have been seeing and kind of incredulous about.
Agreed. I think the media has been absolutely shameful in how they have covered this. I understand if you are pro-choice and think that these laws are wrong, but there is no reason to mischaracterize what the laws actually do.
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