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Old 05-23-2018, 01:35 AM   #1241
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I think just based on the past incidents and evidence we do have that murder-suicide is very likely - i just doubt that the pilot hung on until the end did a controlled landing with flaps down... Ten thousand miles off course...but i suppose if you are that crazy than anything is possible...

Again just my opinion.
His death would have been certain no matter how he ditched the plane. I don't think nose diving at full speed would be any more desirable than just coasting into the sea. It's just like any other suicide. Some people leap from buildings and others drive their car off of piers or hang themselves. It's never easy to rationalize the means.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:45 AM   #1242
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I think the theory regarding the flaps being deployed was to prevent from smashing the plane into millions of pieces and having wreckage washing up everywhere. I guess a lower speed impact would keep more of the plane intact and letting it sink to the bottom and disappearing forever.
Chances are a lower speed impact would produce more and larger wreckage with the possibility of a mostly intact fuselage to be found.

Having the aircraft break up into a million pieces in the middle of the Indian ocean with 20,000 ft of water under it would also make it impossible to find the flight recorders which hold the truth
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Old 05-24-2018, 03:47 AM   #1243
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I hate that this thread got bumped. I have not one but two Malaysia airlines flights in the next 24 hours.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:31 AM   #1244
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Really great write-up in the Atlantic on this yesterday:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rlines/590653/
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Really great write-up in the Atlantic on this yesterday:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rlines/590653/
Was a really good timeline, though I didn't happen to spot any new news.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:42 AM   #1246
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Watched this a few months ago, was extremely well done and detailed.

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Really great write-up in the Atlantic on this yesterday:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rlines/590653/
Wow. I had no idea a pilot could actually murder every single soul on board without crashing the flight. Depressurize, aggressive ascent, and everyone falls asleep forever.

Amazing and scary, but I suppose that is the lesser of the two evils compared to being fully conscious while the plane is plummeting at a million miles an hour.
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That was really interesting, disturbing, but interesting. Thank you for posting the link.
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Old 06-18-2019, 12:23 PM   #1249
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I retweeted the link yesterday and my wife read it, we have some flights coming up and she wasn't thrilled about reading the part about how one would incapacitate everyone on board.
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Really great write-up in the Atlantic on this yesterday:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rlines/590653/
I made the mistake of coming across this article at quarter to 1 in the morning last night.

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I retweeted the link yesterday and my wife read it, we have some flights coming up and she wasn't thrilled about reading the part about how one would incapacitate everyone on board.
Tell her it's way better to go to sleep and die then to be consciously aware of rapidly plunging to your certain death over several minutes. That should calm her down!
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Not a big surprise, Not the first time and unfortunately probably not the last.
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I'm convinced this will go down as one of the greatest mysteries of our lifetime. I doubt they will ever find the main wreckage, which the article points out won't answer the important questions anyhow.
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Tell her it's way better to go to sleep and die then to be consciously aware of rapidly plunging to your certain death over several minutes. That should calm her down!

Now whenever I feel sleepy on a plane, I will be wondering.





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Not a big surprise, Not the first time and unfortunately probably not the last.
It's not a big surprise a seasoned pilot would murder 220+ people, strategically shut off his electronics, then fly out to the middle of the ocean until the fuel is gone?
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It's not a big surprise a seasoned pilot would murder 220+ people, strategically shut off his electronics, then fly out to the middle of the ocean until the fuel is gone?
How the plane went down is not a big surprise, it was really the most likely explanation. And it goes without saying that yes it's it is shocking that pilots have done this.
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I remember a Russian pilot that allowed his 10 year old kid to fly the plane, in the process of getting onto dads lap the kid kicked the controls and the plane went into an uncontrollable dive and crash killing 100 or so, crap happens
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If it's the same one I recall, the pilot didn't think the kid could override the autopilot. Turns out a sharp yank on the control did shut it off. What is baffling about that one is they started giving instructions to the kid, instead of yanking him out of the seat.
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Really great write-up in the Atlantic on this yesterday:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rlines/590653/
FYI on this link, there is an embedded SoundCloud player link to listen to it, if you'd prefer. Thanks for sharing, Bigtime. Great listen.
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FYI on this link, there is an embedded SoundCloud player link to listen to it, if you'd prefer. Thanks for sharing, Bigtime. Great listen.
The Atlantic has great long form articles but they seem to be doing less and less of them in audio format for non-subs now. You used to always be able to listen to their "main article of the month" out of the magazine.
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If it's the same one I recall, the pilot didn't think the kid could override the autopilot. Turns out a sharp yank on the control did shut it off. What is baffling about that one is they started giving instructions to the kid, instead of yanking him out of the seat.
I don't think that's exactly how it went down
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While seated at the controls, the pilot's son had unknowingly disengaged the A310's autopilot control of the aircraft's ailerons. The autopilot then disengaged completely causing the aircraft to roll into a steep bank and a near-vertical dive. Despite managing to level the aircraft, the first officer over-corrected when pulling up, causing the plane to stall and enter into a corkscrew dive; the pilots managed to level the aircraft off once more, but by then the plane had lost too much altitude to recover and crashed into the Kuznetsk Alatau mountain range
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