2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[sureLoss]

More Dzingel talk

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
It’s Dzingel day in Ottawa. Senators will get and should get quality return. Hard to say what it is...ranging for multiple picks to a top prospect. Boston and CBJ among the suitors.

[Toonage]

Jackets again? Interesting

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Muzzin is a 30 year old d man with the same term and price tag as brodie and he he returned a first plus 2 prospects.

Brodie is better than Muzzin

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Yeah but Brodie is just a product of Mark Giordano.

Jake Muzzin never played with Drew Doughty, except that time they have been partners for virtually his whole career.

[browna]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

More Dzingel talk

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
It’s Dzingel day in Ottawa. Senators will get and should get quality return. Hard to say what it is...ranging for multiple picks to a top prospect. Boston and CBJ among the suitors.

One of these days Dreger is going to get burned on his copy and paste job text from one of these player agents.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Muzzin is a 30 year old d man with the same term and price tag as brodie and he he returned a first plus 2 prospects.

Brodie is better than Muzzin

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I don't think that's what he's arguing though. I think the point is the 'price' changes at different times of the year.

I noted it earlier in this thread as well.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

It is interesting how draft picks hold less value at trade deadline but near the draft everyone laments trading them and would move roster players for them.

This may be useful to understand the differences:

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But they aren't worth any more than they are today...that's the point.

They can be worth more. Calgary's might be worth way less at the draft because they finish so well.

Seriously, it depends on where you finish and who the players are. The value of Edmonton's pick in the McDavid year went up on lottery/draft day versus the previous trade deadline.

Not a deadline deal, but the year-away pick Calgary traded for Hamonic went way up in value after the trade, when Calgary performed so badly.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I don't think that's what he's arguing though. I think the point is the 'price' changes at different times of the year.

I noted it earlier in this thread as well.



This may be useful to understand the differences:



https://www.amazon.ca/Priceless-Myth.../dp/0809078813

Players are obviously worth more in the middle of a season when they are needed the most, and draft picks are never more valuable than on draft day

But you can't really worry about that. Asset management and taking advantage of the seasonal market fluctuations is an important strategy, especially for building teams, but it shouldn't be a factor for a team trying to take advantage of their window (IMO).

Windows can be really short these days with all the parity.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not a deadline deal, but the year-away pick Calgary traded for Hamonic went way up in value after the trade, when Calgary performed so badly.

Noah Dobson looks incredible. Probably gonna end up the 2nd best D in that draft after Dahlin.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, can we move on from the TJ Brodie thread? He is not going anywhere at the deadline and the draft is months away.

Guess not.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Noah Dobson looks incredible. Probably gonna end up the 2nd best D in that draft after Dahlin.

Could be the next Brandon Gormley right.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Don't agree at all with........reality?

See, i was saying I dont agree with you but respect your opinion. Nevermind cause you are a ######.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jbo

He is also having a career year for +/- so far, career year in points, shuts down top lines night in and night out. Weird take even for Ricardodw

Gio is having his best season ever.... well at least since the year he was injured and missed the playoffs.

He is and was paired with Brodie on both occasions. Without Brodie Gio was good but not elite.

Let's get rid of Brodie and let Gio carry around Andersson. That might work???

[Flash Walken]

I wonder what's more valuable to the flames, a guy with term at a decent price or a guy without term?

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder what's more valuable to the flames, a guy with term at a decent price or a guy without term?

A guy with term.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder what's more valuable to the flames, a guy with term at a decent price or a guy without term?

I'm guessing term.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder what's more valuable to the flames, a guy with term at a decent price or a guy without term?

Morally, Treliving wants guys with term. But for some guys with no term, like a Zuccarello, you have to think he may break his morality to get an impactful peice when the team is running hot this season, and then not have to worry about the longer term implications of bringing a guy in and trying to fit him in to the room, roster or cap, past June (of course, the assets you need to get the player have to be thought of longer term).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder what's more valuable to the flames, a guy with term at a decent price or a guy without term?

Treliving looks for value contracts, or guys he feels he can sign for one. Even Neal - if he score some like he did historically, that's a good contract.

[edslunch]

I’d love them to pick up Stone and find a way to sign him, but then expansion is going to be tough - 5 core F not even counting Backlund so can only protect 3 D. They’re going to lose their 4th best D unless they make a deal.

Of course if they don’t sign Stone or some other core piece then they’re still going to lose their 3rd or 5th best D or someone like Backlund or Bennett so maybe it doesn’t make that much difference.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I’d love them to pick up Stone and find a way to sign him, but then expansion is going to be tough - 5 core F not even counting Backlund so can only protect 3 D. They’re going to lose a D unless they make a deal. Of fours if they don’t sign Stone or some other core piece then they’re still going to lose a good D or someone like Backlund or Bennett.

2 full seasons and 3 off-seasons to worry about and deal with that. Not an issue to fret over when thinking about our current roster. Too many good players? Pretty great problem to have.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Guess not.

Dean Millard
@DuckMillard 29m
#Flames are looking at Kreider with Brodie in the mix going to #Rangers.

Maybe we are allowed to discuss Brodie after all??