According to Dreger, UFA forwards who made $3-4M last year are being offered $1M or less.
Just listening to his podcast
Dreger:
"I'm not going to name the player and I'm not going to name the team but I will say this is a good defenceman available in free agency, and there is a handful of these guys out there, a team offered a 1yr $750K deal for this player"
Ferrarro:
"Cause that's what they had left?"
Dreger:
"They just were ultimately bargain shopping and basically just said, you may have been a 4-5M defenceman last season but if you've got nothing here's something and this is all we can do. I would say this is a team that has space so they're not a up against it type of team but my point in telling that story is simply because that's where the system is."
Has to be Hamonic or Vatanen, I'm guessing WPG offer to Hamonic. I'd take either of those guys for 1M.
Dreger:
"I'm not going to name the player and I'm not going to name the team but I will say this is a good defenceman available in free agency, and there is a handful of these guys out there, a team offered a 1yr $750K deal for this player"
Ferrarro:
"Cause that's what they had left?"
Dreger:
"They just were ultimately bargain shopping and basically just said, you may have been a 4-5M defenceman last season but if you've got nothing here's something and this is all we can do. I would say this is a team that has space so they're not a up against it type of team but my point in telling that story is simply because that's where the system is."
Has to be Hamonic or Vatanen, I'm guessing WPG offer to Hamonic. I'd take either of those guys for 1M.
Ya could be them also. Amazing year for depth if you have a little bit of cap space. The dead money the Flames are carrying around is really brutal this year.
With a condensed schedule teams will need to borrow from the NBA and give some older guys nights off so often. So you probably want 23 guys on a roster that fits under the cap and be able to move 2 bodies on and off very easily.
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A ufa might have several offers for $750k. No need to sign that deal now. Wait until someone comes back at $1 or $1.25M , or a team with a lot of cap space offers $2M
Things could clear up after arbitration when teams know how much they have left
What about taking a flyer on Anthony Duclair? 2 years, $1.3 million per. Guy scored over 20 last year on a terrible Sens team. Maybe add some scoring punch to the 3rd line, and possibly 2nd line minutes in a pinch....
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A ufa might have several offers for $750k. No need to sign that deal now. Wait until someone comes back at $1 or $1.25M , or a team with a lot of cap space offers $2M
Things could clear up after arbitration when teams know how much they have left
or the chairs could be filled when the music stops. They could be left with a a PTO offer to a covid training camp and hope for a injury.
Take the Flames for instance.
5.7 M in cap
Expect to sign RFA Kylington (800k) and Mangiapane 2M
That leave the Flames with 10 forwards and 6 D-men and 2.9 M of cap space
The #7 d-men ... Mackey $975k and 1.95 M left for 4 forwards
Robinson and Rinaldo 700k x 2 = 1.4 leaves 50k for 2 forwards
The Flames have no room to offer Hamonic or Vantaten anything more than what Kylington's cap hit.
There are a lot of teams that are equally messed.
It will be very interesting how it works out for the Flames and other Cap stressed team.
It might turn out that the most important management person is not the scouts or coaches, analytics guy, video break down, advanced scouts or even the GMs. It might be the Cap Accountant. Do the Flames have one?
What about taking a flyer on Anthony Duclair? 2 years, $1.3 million per. Guy scored over 20 last year on a terrible Sens team. Maybe add some scoring punch to the 3rd line, and possibly 2nd line minutes in a pinch....
Absolutely. Really like the “never quit” attitude on this goal.
What about taking a flyer on Anthony Duclair? 2 years, $1.3 million per. Guy scored over 20 last year on a terrible Sens team. Maybe add some scoring punch to the 3rd line, and possibly 2nd line minutes in a pinch....
Didn’t Ottawa offer him a raise from his last contract and he balked at it? I guess he is getting to the point where he won’t get the money he was looking for .
1 yr for $1.5 million for the 3rd line would be nice for Duclair. He wouldn't do it because the odds are his production will drop a lot being on the 3rd line and his next UFA contract will hurt because of it.
I imagine Duclair is just one of many UFAs that wish they had taken whatever deal was offered to them by their original team before declining and testing the market.
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Hoping Treliving is able to move out some cap(Ryan, Rittich?) so we can take advantage of this.
Ryan can be bought out and get the Flames an extra 2M in cap space at a cost of losing 1M next year.
What would the cost be to move Ryan's contract?
Are there 2 Ryan level UFA's that could be signed for 1M or less?
If the arbitrator give Mangiapane 3M do the Flames let him go? Hard to think that arbitration is not supposed to consider the non-rising cap and cap crisis that has dampened the UFA market so drastically.
I imagine Duclair is just one of many UFAs that wish they had taken whatever deal was offered to them by their original team before declining and testing the market.
Ryan can be bought out and get the Flames an extra 2M in cap space at a cost of losing 1M next year.
What would the cost be to move Ryan's contract?
Are there 2 Ryan level UFA's that could be signed for 1M or less?
If the arbitrator give Mangiapane 3M do the Flames let him go? Hard to think that arbitration is not supposed to consider the non-rising cap and cap crisis that has dampened the UFA market so drastically.
I'm fairly confident Mangiapane will be locked up before his arbitration date. If Gudbranson can be moved for a 5th I'm sure they could find a home for Ryan. The UFA market is very thin on centers.
1 yr for $1.5 million for the 3rd line would be nice for Duclair. He wouldn't do it because the odds are his production will drop a lot being on the 3rd line and his next UFA contract will hurt because of it.
if players who previously made $4M are now offered $750K, then neither the Flames nor anyone else should be offering $1.5M to Duclair
I'm fairly confident Mangiapane will be locked up before his arbitration date. If Gudbranson can be moved for a 5th I'm sure they could find a home for Ryan. The UFA market is very thin on centers.
The Flames were specifically hard on him last year... giving him a 2-way contract..... with 70K in the AHL
They told him to go out and prove he was a NHLer. I don't think there will be a lot of good will or home town discount.
I guess they have to figure out what they can afford to give him as top-9 guy that keeps him from getting a top-6 settlement from arbitration.
If he gets a top-6 settlement based on last season's RFA deals the Flames would have to work hard dumping salary to keep him on the roster.
Dreger:
"I'm not going to name the player and I'm not going to name the team but I will say this is a good defenceman available in free agency, and there is a handful of these guys out there, a team offered a 1yr $750K deal for this player"
Ferrarro:
"Cause that's what they had left?"
Dreger:
"They just were ultimately bargain shopping and basically just said, you may have been a 4-5M defenceman last season but if you've got nothing here's something and this is all we can do. I would say this is a team that has space so they're not a up against it type of team but my point in telling that story is simply because that's where the system is."
Has to be Hamonic or Vatanen, I'm guessing WPG offer to Hamonic. I'd take either of those guys for 1M.
Traditionally, hamonic would be looking forward to ~$15M to $20M contract for another 4-6 years. But with a stagnant cap, tight finances league wide and uncertain future regarding covid, no one wants to be the GM paying $4M/yr for the player who is most likely to sit at home if things get scary again. Hamonic probably cost himself $10M by opting out of the playoffs.
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Dreger:
"I'm not going to name the player and I'm not going to name the team but I will say this is a good defenceman available in free agency, and there is a handful of these guys out there, a team offered a 1yr $750K deal for this player"
Ferrarro:
"Cause that's what they had left?"
Dreger:
"They just were ultimately bargain shopping and basically just said, you may have been a 4-5M defenceman last season but if you've got nothing here's something and this is all we can do. I would say this is a team that has space so they're not a up against it type of team but my point in telling that story is simply because that's where the system is."
Has to be Hamonic or Vatanen, I'm guessing WPG offer to Hamonic. I'd take either of those guys for 1M.
If I'm Tre and Hamonic asks for an offer, I'd be like, "Covid is still as real and dangerous as it was during the playoffs. If you're too scared of it then, you're too scared of it now. Hit the bricks pal"
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