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Originally Posted by direwolf
You can actually stomach the prequels? That's a strong constitution you've got there, my friend. Those flicks are awful.
The Last Jedi is a superior film in every way. Sure, it's not spectacular, and there were a couple of scenes that bugged me. But overall I thoroughly enjoyed it. Is it as good as the original trilogy? Nope. But I thought it was pretty solid and easily on par with TFA.
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Put me in as one who liked the Revenge of the Sith. It was a movie with some problems to it obviously, buy I liked it, and on reflection probably a bit more then the Last Jedi
So here's a new list, CaptainCrunch's why Star Wars films failed, and what might have been able to fix it
1) The Phantom Menace
The good - The fight between Maul, Kenobi and Qui-Gon. Palpatine. The performance of MacGregor, Neeson, McDarmid.
The bad - Midi-chlorians I get they needed to quantify how powerful Anakin was, but that just made no sense. too much reliance on CGI. Some of the scenes were beautiful but at times it seemed so video gamey. to much cutsey, animals farting, smart arse battle droids
The ugly - Jake Llyod, the whole Jar Jar Binks thing and his race. Overly complex reasons like taxations of the trade routes.
How to fix it - make Anakin a teenager, make his slavery harsher, give him an edge and anger that we can see. A good kid with a temper and a desire for revenge. Remove the midiclorians. remove Jar Jar, change the Gungans to be a more warrior race and less goofy.
2) Attack of the Clones
The good, the actual creation of the clones story lines. Ewan MacGregor, bringing in Christopher Lee as Count Dooku, Jar Jar destroys democracy. Jango Fett,
The bad - The dialgue. NP looks like she'd rather be anywhere else. Hayden just wasn't the right actor for the role. The love story itself had little chemistry. Anakin wipes out the raiders
the ugly - Sand it gets everywhere, the transitions were weirdly done. the way that the duel between Anakin and Dooku was filmed. Yoda bouncing around like a freaking jelly bean.
What could have fixed it - bring in a script doctor to work on the dialogue. emphasize Jedi Arrogance really drop seeds in that Anakin is slowly sliding and Kenobi just can't see it. Change the execution scene from weirdo animals to a firing squad. Have Anakin show his rage during the battle with Dooku and have some consequences to it.
Revenge of the Sith
the good - Loved the fall of the republic, order 66, the jedi being patsies. The fight between Anakin and Kenobi. The opening battle. The opera house scene
The bad - the dialogue between Anakin and Padme and the lack of chemistry between the two. the creation of a new villain in Grievous and the quick death of Dooku. not enough time spent on Anakin's fall and it was almost too instant and predictable. Monster movie Palpatine. more boinging around Yoda.
The ugly - NOOOOOOOOO, She died of a what, she lost the whose now? Not enough time spent on the conversation between Anakin and Palpatine in the seduction, the book was awesome for this. "I have the high ground" very little dialogue between Obi-Wan and Anakin. The slaughter of the younglings turns Anakin from someone with a bit of good in him to someone almost irredeemable.
How to fix it - Lengthen the seduction scene between Anakin and Palpatine. Change the temple scene to show Anakin's power in slaughtering actual Jedi. Get rid of Grievous all together, and extend Dooku's role so that when Anakin murders him its meaningful How about Padme not dying of a broken heart, have her die from injuries caused by an enraged Anakin. Instead of a mournful know, have Anakin show rage at Palpatine for the death of Padme, and a certain amount of self loathing, show Palpatine as more powerful then Anakin in this state.
A New Hope
The good - a lot
The bad - Dialogue was wooden, some scenes were too long and boring, ie the crossing the desert.
The ugly - Not a lot
How to fix it - If George had a regret, I bet he would have found a way to have someone else write the dialogue in his scripts
Empire Strikes back
The good - all of it
The bad - loved this movie
the ugly - nothing
how to fix it - Leave it alone, they finally bought someone in that understood how people talked
Return of the Jedi
The good - The effects for the time, Leia Bikini, palpatine to a point, Vader. Harrison Ford. the space battle
The bad - The ewoks the battle scene was stupid, arrows beat high tech armor and weapons. I think the Jabba the hutt stuff dragged on too long. Palpatine's seduction of Luke was poorly written and executed.
the ugly - The ewoks.
How to fix it - Shorten the rescue of Han Solo. Change the Ewoks to Wookies. Emphasize Luke's near seduction by Palpatine. Put the scene back in with Vader and the Imperial Guards
The Force Awakens
The good - the pacing was excellent, Rey was terrific. The opening scene with Kylo was really well done. the fight between Kylo, Finn and rey was well done.
The bad - The dialogue, too many ambiguous moments. Too many over powered hero's especially the Poe sequence with Finn screaming "That's a great pilot". Snoke, I just didn't feel him. the disconnect with Chewie. Some of the movies logic was flawed.
The ugly - This is the death star except you could shoot a death star out of our death star. Too familiar in terms of plot with ANH. The whole Rathtars scene with Solo. Kylo Ren pouty 14 year old evil dude. Rey picking up force powers like coins off of the floor. Phasma
How to fix it - dial back on the unbeatable rebels. Get rid of Phasma all together, she added nothing to the film. Have a greater struggle for Rey in terms of powers. Have Kylo toy with Finn like he's a particularly stupid child.
The Last Jedi
The good - Mark Hamill. Daisy Ridley was really strong. The throne room betrayal. Kylo's kill the past old ways justification.
The bad - The overall logic of the chase and the plot line. Rose and finns adventure wasn't interesting at all. This was basically the Empire Strikes back, but the problem is in comparison it isn't that good.
The ugly - Disposing of the questions from the first movie. Snoke turns out to the the Supreme Idiot Snoke. Rey's parents were nothing, the radically changing of the Force philosophy created confusion. Poe, was just badly done.
How to fix it - I'd have to think about that, i don't think its fixable from a framework perspective. And when your strongest movie is Empire Strikes back, don't remake it unless you can do it better.
