The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[Roast Beef]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Leia using the force to get back to her ship after being blown out into space was beyond ridiculous, even for a Star Wars flick. That was the only scene that bugged me.

You know what, I didn't even mind that. I saw it as her just force grabbing the ship and drawing herself to it because of the lack of gravity. I admit it looked strange, but I had no issue with the concept of it. (I am putting aside the real effects of being in a vacuum here of course, this is a fantasy movie so I don't expect it to maintain a solid adherence to actual physics).

the Yoda scene was great. That scene was easily the most Star Wars-ey thing in the movie and I thought it worked great. And is it just me, or did they actually use a puppet for yoda? Sure looked that way.

It sure looked like a puppet for most of the shots, and I'm really glad they went with Yoda's ESB/ROTJ personality instead of the prequels.

John Williams' score was fantastic as always.

The score was fantastic, The music when the Falcon flew underground on the red/salt planet (can't remember the name..Kanto something) was an inspired re-use of the music from the original movies.

Not sure how I feel yet about Snoke's unexpected early death. Sure, I guess Kylo needed to kill him in order to completely turn dark and carry on Grandpa Vader's legacy. But I was hoping to get more of a back story on him.

The biggest surprise for me was Snoke. His death with a lack of explanation was odd, but I do understand that killing Snoke really was the next step in Kylo's journey. My first thought is that Snoke will return as some kind of force ghost, just like Luke will, and that the final battle will be between dark and light not only in the physical world, but also on whatever metaphysical plane the force ghosts exist on.

[N-E-B]

Overall I would say it was good, I enjoyed it, but it was definitely overhyped. I think I like it a bit more than TFA but not much.

The good:

-Luke Skywalker was amazing.
-Yoda was so cool to see (and I love that he was a puppet).
-The humour was well done (even the "your mom" joke made me chuckle)
-Phasma dies. Stupid pointless character whose entire purpose is to sell toys.
-The direction they took with Kylo Ren was awesome. He's pure evil. They sucked me into thinking he would turn but he didn't.
-The music, obviously.

The bad:
-Rey's parents are nobody? Really? I tend to agree with Roast Beef, I'm not convinced we know the whole truth yet.
-Snoke sucked. Big time. What the actual frig was that? He's supposedly the most powerful being since Darth Vader and he's that easily duped? He couldn't sense the lightsaber right beside him? I'm hoping there's more to this but unfortunately I think he's just a let down.
-I was promised a bigger reveal than when Vader told Luke he was his father. That didn't happen. There were definitely some good twists but nothing came even close to that.

The ugly:
-Space Leia. I liked the idea, but the execution was poor.

Overall I'd give the movie 8/10. Very good but not quite good enough to be truly blown away. If anything, I was slightly underwhelmed but I really think that's because of how much hype the movie had. I think in time I'll appreciate it more. I noticed now I appreciate Episodes I and II a lot more than I did 5 years ago. If I can learn to like those, I'm sure I can learn to love this one.

[underGRADFlame]

So I think I’m trying to emotionally accept that Luke is dead... not happy about that... but what no one has mentioned yet is Admiral Akbar’s untimely death...

RIP

[Max Cow Disease]

I'm going to sleep on it and eventually see it a second time in the theaters, but I'm really not feeling it immediately after the first viewing. I was as pumped as anybody about this and had high hopes for what Rian Johnson was going to do, but I feel like the movie missed the mark in a lot of ways.

Some of the good:

The movie did have some notable highs. Pretty much all of the action sequences were pretty well done, and the movie had some pretty decent humour at times (the initial bit with Hux and Poe made me chuckle and was them obviously realizing that Hux is too ridiculous to be taken that seriously). Luke irreverently tossing his lightsabre off a cliff after 2 years of build-up was good stuff as well. There were more positives to draw on but I'll keep it at that for now.

Some of the bad:

The film didn't need to be steeped with fan service and lore, but I do think that Rey's parents being nobody and Snoke also being a nobody is detrimental (though I acknowledge that Kylo may have been lying about the parent bit). Snoke being killed off so quickly seems terrible to me, as he had the potential to be a fairly foreboding villain, but is now regulated to Darth Maul status as a cool bad guy that we now don't care a lick about, rather than Darth Sideous status. Who's the big scary bad guy now? A confused, still-somewhat-untrained Kylo Ren? I dunno. Meh.

I thought the movie jumped around quite a bit and could have spent more time on the meat and potato plots and less on the Finn/Rose stuff as mentioned. I thought the Rose character was rather atrocious, and her corny line whilst laying in the speeder was Attack of the Clones level bad. I like Finn's character, but I thought they somewhat wasted him in this movie by handcuffing him to Rose the whole time.

I'm not a fan of some of the new "force techniques" we're getting a whiff of either. This ability to seamlessly project one's image across the galaxy and carry on a conversation or kiss your sister on the forehead somewhat bothers me for some reason, and although this is a galaxy far, far away, I was blown away by the inclusion of a scene wherein Leia flat out floats around in empty space for several moments/minutes, and then comes to and force pulls herself back to the ship. Insanity. It took some of the universe's most capable Jedi masters years of training to learn how to appear as grainy, 480p force ghosts after death, and yet now the force is apparently busted wide open and it's no-holds-barred.

I was surprised that Luke was killed off (his physical form, anyway), and Leia survived the movie. It makes me question how they're going to write her out for Ep. IX. How did he even die there anyway? I'm assuming he drained all of his old man energy while force skyping, but I'm not certain.

Like I said, I'm going to sleep on it, watch it again, and mull this all over a bit more before I make up my mind or try and rank this amongst the others. But, I can say right now that not a whole lot about this movie has left me super excited about what could possibly end up happening in the next film, which must be somewhat of a bad sign. Force Awakens, I felt, left me pretty stoked right away about what was going to happen with these characters (particularly Snoke, Ren, and Luke), but quite a bit of that sensation has now faded.

[djsFlames]

Everyone can't be related to the Skywalkers. Especially snoke, lol you see that dude? You need some "nobodies" that will eventually become somebodies later in SW lore.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

I think I watched a different movie than most of you. The one I saw was great.

[jg13]

I was definitely let down because of the expectations I had. It wasn't awful, but wow they missed the mark on this. 6.5/10 for me.

Give less time to Rose and Finn - every time it would switch over to them I felt myself losing focus just because of how drawn out and boring it was compared to the action scenes with Poe and of course Luke/Rey/Snoke/Kylo.

The space Leia was awful, but not nearly as bad as the Casino planet. Could have cut that entire scene out and gave more time to Snoke which I felt was extremely needed.

I drew very similar comparisons to Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers final scene and the final scene in this film. I'm sure some of you can see where i'm coming from.

Biggest improvement for me was Kylo. Finally we have the villain I was hoping to see in The Force Awakens.

Awesome: Yoda, Music, Kylo, Lightsaber battles particularly the last 'Knight of Ren' that is slain through the eye. Luke, Chewy.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Everyone can't be related to the Skywalkers. Especially snoke, lol you see that dude? You need some "nobodies" that will eventually become somebodies later in SW lore.

The issue isn't that she's a nobody, to me the issue is that it was such a mystery after the first movie it just seems like a really lazy way of solving it. Anti-climatic.

Same with Snoke. Lame answer to a big mystery.

[Roast Beef]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

The issue isn't that she's a nobody, to me the issue is that it was such a mystery after the first movie it just seems like a really lazy way of solving it. Anti-climatic.

Same with Snoke. Lame answer to a big mystery.

Non answer to each one. How did Kylo know? He read her worst fear and expanded on it, doesn't actually mean he knows.

Snoke? I admit it seems a bit more final, but he looked really freaking powerful, whats to stop him from coming back as a dark side force ghost?

[Roast Beef]

Originally Posted by jg13

I was definitely let down because of the expectations I had. It wasn't awful, but wow they missed the mark on this. 6.5/10 for me.

I don't think they missed the mark, I was really quite happy with it.

Give less time to Rose and Finn - every time it would switch over to them I felt myself losing focus just because of how drawn out and boring it was compared to the action scenes with Poe and of course Luke/Rey/Snoke/Kylo.

I saw this as the next phase of Finn's journey. He's got a wide range of things going on in this movie, all he knows is Stormtrooper, First Order, Resistance, etc. He's still trying to figure things out and he makes a lot of mistakes. I loved Rose as a character, but I do agree that the movie did drag a bit when they were featured.

The space Leia was awful, but not nearly as bad as the Casino planet. Could have cut that entire scene out and gave more time to Snoke which I felt was extremely needed.

Didn't mind space Leia, The casino planet set up the reality that there are scum out there profiting off of the entire thing, and the dark reality behind that opulence. That for some people the First Order and Resistance are just a way to make money. It also foreshadowed the betrayal of the Codebreaker, and the ending of the movie.

I drew very similar comparisons to Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers final scene and the final scene in this film. I'm sure some of you can see where i'm coming from.

In a way, yes. But in the opposite direction.

Biggest improvement for me was Kylo. Finally we have the villain I was hoping to see in The Force Awakens.

Yep, he really nailed it, the actor and the character.

Awesome: Yoda, Music, Kylo, Lightsaber battles particularly the last 'Knight of Ren' that is slain through the eye. Luke, Chewy.

Yoda was awesome, the music was awesome, I really enjoyed the movie and it left me with a lot of thoughts for the next chapter.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Roast Beef

Non answer to each one. How did Kylo know? He read her worst fear and expanded on it, doesn't actually mean he knows.

Snoke? I admit it seems a bit more final, but he looked really freaking powerful, whats to stop him from coming back as a dark side force ghost?

I agree with both of these sentiments. I do think there's a good chance Kylo Ren was manipulating Rey. Make her seem like a nobody to the world but a somebody to him in and effort to seduce her. My hopes for that are not gone.

The Snoke one really bummed me out, but like you said it's possible he's not dead. How awesome would a Luke vs Snoke force ghost battle be in IX? This one though, seems less likely.

But really other than feeling unsatisfied by what we learned, I quite enjoyed the movie.

[killer_carlson]

They had better give John Williams the Oscar for musical score this year.

As for Finn and Rose's storyline, I like it more than I did yesterday. I like how they introduced how the rebels inspire the ordinary person. It kind of gave a Rogue One element to the story.

You had so many of the Rebels wiped out - is there even 20 left? They escaped and you'd have to describe the entire movie as a failure from a Rebel numbers perspective. However they come out of it as how the legend grows across the galaxy.

[speede5]

Leia should not have been able to survive for even a second in the vacuum of space. No one in this universe is impervious to natural forces, jedi bleed. It's one thing to use the force to deflect something coming your way and another to become superman. It was complete indefensible crap and for a moment I wanted to walk out of the theater. That it happened so early in the film had me dreading what would come next.

The rest of the things I had issue with are pretty much just matters of opinion decided by the direction they took with the story and I can get over all my other nit picky beefs but this one thing is just utter stupidity.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by speede5

Leia should not have been able to survive for even a second in the vacuum of space. No one in this universe is impervious to natural forces, jedi bleed. It's one thing to use the force to deflect something coming your way and another to become superman. It was complete indefensible crap and for a moment I wanted to walk out of the theater. That it happened so early in the film had me dreading what would come next.

The rest of the things I had issue with are pretty much just matters of opinion decided by the direction they took with the story and I can get over all my other nit picky beefs but this one thing is just utter stupidity.

Well her dad was able to put up with having his legs chopped off and burning in a lava induced fire for a while...

All kidding aside that part was cheesy but it wasn't "walk out of the movie" cheesy.

[killer_carlson]

Rotton Tomatoes ratings for audience score are way down this morning.

93% critic score
63% audience score

A lot of die hard fans seem mad.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Well her dad was able to put up with having his legs chopped off and burning in a lava induced fire for a while...

All kidding aside that part was cheesy but it wasn't "walk out of the movie" cheesy.

Felt more Marvel than Star Wars to me.

Reminded me of when Star-Lord was able to survive in space in GotG

[speede5]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

All kidding aside that part was cheesy but it wasn't "walk out of the movie" cheesy.

I'm pretty sure I started to stand up but couldn't force myself to leave. Haha

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Rotton Tomatoes ratings for audience score are way down this morning.

93% critic score
63% audience score

A lot of die hard fans seem mad.

Put this in my first post but I feel like die hards are going to hate what they did with Snoke and Rey’s parentage.

Those were the two “cliff-hangers” from TFA and neither of them had any substance in this movie. For the die hards that love the lore of Star Wars and whom have been speculating on that for the last two years that is going to drive them crazy.

I think the best review I’ve seen was “Great as a stand-alone movie, not as good in the big picture of a trilogy/Star Wars lore.”

[killer_carlson]

Reading online reviews is fascinating.

I think there are some people out there who feel the need to crap all over the movie as an attempt to prove they are more star warsy than the next person - and losing the forest for the trees in the process.

It's a great movie. A Star Wars movie. It won't be held up alongside the original trilogy, but it kicks the crap out of the Jar jar trilogy. A good follow up to Force Awakens. Not as dark as Rogue One.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Rotton Tomatoes ratings for audience score are way down this morning.

93% critic score
63% audience score

A lot of die hard fans seem mad.

They've become incredibly skilled at juking the reviews for Star Wars movies. The early previews are always these elaborate extravaganza's that celebrate all things Star Wars and place the latest movie at the center of it. Have some doubts about how good the movie actually is? Better keep it to yourself if you want to get invited to the next one.