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Old 07-22-2017, 08:47 AM   #2041
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Friedman's been more miss than bang on with the Flames in his "30 Thoughts", I've been taking anything Flames-related with a grain of salt in those articles.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:13 AM   #2042
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Friedman's been more miss than bang on with the Flames in his "30 Thoughts", I've been taking anything Flames-related with a grain of salt in those articles.
He's just putting things out there that he's heard from his contacts around the league and even if they don't come to fruition there's probably some smoke to the rumours. I have no doubt Treliving at least kicked the tires just to see what the asking price was because he's probably one of the busiest GM's in the league always on the phone with other GM's but given the obscene price the Avalanche are asking I'm sure the conversation didn't last long.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:20 AM   #2043
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Friedman's been more miss than bang on with the Flames in his "30 Thoughts", I've been taking anything Flames-related with a grain of salt in those articles.
Just because everything he hears doesn't materialize, doesn't mean he has been "wrong".
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:43 AM   #2044
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Yeah that's not it for me. As mentioned I dropped Duchene's name because Friedman listed the Flames as one of 5 teams that might circle back to Colorado this summer. That article doesn't come out I don't suggest Duchene to the Flames. Has nothing to do with what you are saying in your post
The comment was in general for everyone who is discussing it.

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Old 07-22-2017, 10:13 AM   #2045
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It wouldn't shock me to see the Flames continue the all-in approach by chasing Duchene. The Flames do have a very good system right now and many of their top players on the big club are young.

A Brouwer, Frolik, or Stajan contract would have to be moved off the books but the Flames could afford to add Duchene and re-sign Bennett and Kulak
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Old 07-22-2017, 10:27 AM   #2046
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As much as I like Duchene I don't think he's worth what we would have to give up in prospects . He's clearly overpriced and Sakic is delusional in his asking price judging by what he has apparently already turned down
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:06 AM   #2047
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1) Flames trade Stajan @50% retained to Pens for 3rd
2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene
3) Flames sign Jagr


Gaudreau - Monahan - Jagr
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Duchene - Lazar
Versteeg - Jankowski - Ferland

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone


That's a cup winning roster for sure
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:08 AM   #2048
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2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene

O.K.
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2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene

O.K.
Bunch of crap for star player? Sounds legit!
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:12 AM   #2050
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Who's a star player now?
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:13 AM   #2051
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When was the last time you saw a 5 for 1 asset trade in the NHL? Lindros?

Cap era teams just don't make that kind of trade. Sorry.
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:13 AM   #2052
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Who's a star player now?
brouwer?
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:13 AM   #2053
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2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene
Makes no sense for COL. Embarassing HF style proposal.
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:14 AM   #2054
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The guy who always makes Team Canada
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:14 AM   #2055
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2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene
Considering they would want one of Bennett or Brodie included in the deal, giving up a large unwanted salary (for a guy who wanted to come to Calgary badly and who can control where he wants to go) plus some "stuff" is the complete opposite of what Colorado wants.

You basically gave them a bunch of guys you consider completely expendable.

It's surely the way to build a contender, and its the reason trades like this only get completed on a posting board.

If trades like this occurred, 16 teams would be perpetual playoffs teams, and 16 teams would be perpetual lottery eligible.
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:14 AM   #2056
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2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene
Lol, You forgot to add Flames 7th rounders for the next 10 years, then you've gotta deal...
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Bad season or not Duchene is one of COL's star forwards and as such is not going to be traded for prospects similar to what you propose. If you wanna make proposals like that take it to HockeysFuture IMO
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:16 AM   #2058
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1) Flames trade Stajan @50% retained to Pens for 3rd
2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene
3) Flames sign Jagr


Gaudreau - Monahan - Jagr
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Duchene - Lazar
Versteeg - Jankowski - Ferland

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone


That's a cup winning roster for sure
The idea that quantity will override quality is mystifying.

The Flames get the best player by a mile, in your proposed trade.

Sakic may have been born at night but certainly not last night.

He would scoff at that offer.

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Old 07-22-2017, 11:16 AM   #2059
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If trades like this occurred, 16 teams would be perpetual playoffs teams, and 16 teams would be perpetual lottery eligible.
Bad math
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:18 AM   #2060
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1) Flames trade Stajan @50% retained to Pens for 3rd
2) Flames trade Brouwer + 2nd + Anderson + Mangiapane + Klimchuck for Duchene
3) Flames sign Jagr


Gaudreau - Monahan - Jagr
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Duchene - Lazar
Versteeg - Jankowski - Ferland

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone


That's a cup winning roster for sure
#2 would never get it done, Brouwer I believe is still protected by a NTC this year and I highly doubt Colorado is on his list let alone waving in the first place. We don't have anymore 2nd round picks that are lucrative because we spent them on Smith and Hamonic and while Andersson is a debatable blue chip adding two B/C level prospects in eat bread (B) and Klimchuk (C) is just not getting it done for Duchene.

This will cost 1 of Bennett or Jankowski 1 of Andersson or Kylington and Colorado taking a realistic contract dump like Stajan - which is still iffy as he has a modified NTC so who knows if he's even got Colorado on his radar.
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