01-06-2020, 06:14 PM
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#241
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Nothing wrong with holding onto him to see if he can work it out but the opportunity cost in a cap world if they grab another second or first liner with the cap saved between him and Frolik. He isn't a bad sweetener for a trade deadline deal.
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01-06-2020, 07:53 PM
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#242
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Franchise Player
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I say the Flames should retain him. He had a good start to his NHL career, and only now has he really been stumbling. Loads of players have a poor season in their careers, and many rebound well.
One thing that I do notice is that he seems to do a fairly good job at passing the puck and setting his line mates up for dangerous opportunities. I think it is time to move him to the wing and see if the reduced responsibilities will help him find his scoring touch.
I don't know... I look at the Flames and I see strengths and weaknesses. I have always believed in slotting players according to their strengths. Centre depth is the best it has been since the late 80's/early 90's (which was way better back then, but is actually quite strong now IMO). Why are the Flames not utilizing their strength? Monahan-Lindholm-Backlund-Ryan - that's really good centre depth, with Bennett, Dube and Jankowski on the wings who are also familiar (to varying degrees) of playing the position. Backlund is an EXTREMELY proficient - if not elite - defensive centre. Playing him on the wing seems counter-intuitive to me.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Jankowski - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder/Rinaldo
Move the wingers around if necessary, and give more time to the 4th line. Ryan is a good anchor for the 4th line that you won't care too much in having the other team 'catching' the 4th line out, and Lucic is a decent possession player, not to mention both Rieder and Rinaldo bring strong forechecking/back-checking pressure.
So, with respect to Jankowski, I think it would be a rash and possibly short-sighted move to get rid of Jankowski. He is a strong PK'er, usually decent defensively (Greenway was difficult to contain and was fortunate to get a stick on that - not an error from Jankowski IMO - sometimes players make really good plays even when the opposing team did everything right), and he has proven himself to be a fairly strong depth scorer with the exception of this season. Most players have up and down years - you don't just disregard what they have done recently just because they are in a 'funk' currently, especially if the player is still relatively young or in their prime.
Sometimes patience pays off. Sometimes it doesn't. Jankowski's value wasn't huge last year, it has most assuredly dropped this season, and he doesn't make a silly amount of money given his position on the team, so the Flames can and should show a bit of patience when it comes to him.
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01-06-2020, 08:17 PM
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#243
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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If the Flames plan on keeping Jankowski around, playing him with Backlund would be far from the worst option available. But I think they'd need a right winger with some strength and a good shot to play with those two guys. I'm a huge Dube fan but I'm not sure if he's the guy I'd put on that line.
I wonder how a Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm line would work. It would be completely dominant defensively, for one, but I think Janko and Backlund would be good at getting the puck to Lindholm.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Bennett - Mangiapane
Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder
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01-06-2020, 09:16 PM
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#245
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Scoring Winger
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Watching him this year he seems a step slower which is causing him to be out of position on many plays and not affording as many offensive chances. What he needs is an offseason regiment of power skating and first step quickness drills. They should have him work with a speed skating coach for an entire offseason.
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01-06-2020, 09:53 PM
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#246
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie111
Watching him this year he seems a step slower which is causing him to be out of position on many plays and not affording as many offensive chances. What he needs is an offseason regiment of power skating and first step quickness drills. They should have him work with a speed skating coach for an entire offseason.
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Agree. He has obviously taken a major step backward this year, yet he is at an age when he should be entering the prime of his career. It makes me think that he’s either injured, or something is going on that is affecting his confidence/ambition. All of what you have itemized suggests a need for some effective coaching intervention. Maybe that’s been lacking as well.
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01-06-2020, 09:56 PM
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#247
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
If the Flames plan on keeping Jankowski around, playing him with Backlund would be far from the worst option available. But I think they'd need a right winger with some strength and a good shot to play with those two guys. I'm a huge Dube fan but I'm not sure if he's the guy I'd put on that line.
I wonder how a Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm line would work. It would be completely dominant defensively, for one, but I think Janko and Backlund would be good at getting the puck to Lindholm.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Bennett - Mangiapane
Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder
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Lindy on the 3rd line... with Backlund and JANKO?... my eyes are burning.
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01-06-2020, 10:05 PM
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#248
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
If the Flames plan on keeping Jankowski around, playing him with Backlund would be far from the worst option available. But I think they'd need a right winger with some strength and a good shot to play with those two guys. I'm a huge Dube fan but I'm not sure if he's the guy I'd put on that line.
I wonder how a Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm line would work. It would be completely dominant defensively, for one, but I think Janko and Backlund would be good at getting the puck to Lindholm.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Bennett - Mangiapane
Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder
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I would like a hit of whatever you're passing around.
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01-07-2020, 12:39 AM
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#249
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Lol, our best player on the third line. I know we want to spread the wealth, but come on now.
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01-07-2020, 12:40 AM
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#250
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
If the Flames plan on keeping Jankowski around, playing him with Backlund would be far from the worst option available. But I think they'd need a right winger with some strength and a good shot to play with those two guys. I'm a huge Dube fan but I'm not sure if he's the guy I'd put on that line.
I wonder how a Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm line would work. It would be completely dominant defensively, for one, but I think Janko and Backlund would be good at getting the puck to Lindholm.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Bennett - Mangiapane
Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder
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Would be a fabulous line following a trade involving Jankowski and Backlund.
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01-07-2020, 10:45 AM
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#251
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
If the Flames plan on keeping Jankowski around, playing him with Backlund would be far from the worst option available. But I think they'd need a right winger with some strength and a good shot to play with those two guys. I'm a huge Dube fan but I'm not sure if he's the guy I'd put on that line.
I wonder how a Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm line would work. It would be completely dominant defensively, for one, but I think Janko and Backlund would be good at getting the puck to Lindholm.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Bennett - Mangiapane
Jankowski - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder
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Well, the point of my post was to show that this team is fairly strong down the middle. Moving Lindholm to the wing kind of erases that, though I would be all for trying Bennett as a centre for an extended look. However, that third line that Backlund will be centering would be a traditional 'shut-down' line that is capable of chipping in (as Backlund usually does in that role). That's why Dube is on that line as well - he is a smart (though young) 2-way player that is quick and can help get in on the forecheck and cause some back-pressure as well.
Scoring line
Scoring line
Shutdown line that can chip in
4th line that can play in most situations
Monahan
Lindholm
Backlund
Ryan
That's decent depth. Backlund has shown himself being able to carry a line - especially a checking line - by himself, as he has proven himself to be an elite shut-down centre until fairly recently, and I bet he would be again. Lindholm - IMO - has proven himself to be a capable top 6 responsible centre.
Let's also not forget one thing - having Backlund take the tough minutes allows for the top two lines to take easier minutes - more offensive zone starts and time against weaker competition - that will help them generate offence. I really think having a guy like Backlund as a winger is a huge waste of an asset.
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01-07-2020, 10:55 AM
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#252
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebot
And what did the Flames get for that 42nd overall?
Patrick Sieloff
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I thought Pat Sieloff was actually a decent pick in the second round -- it just happened to miss. Mason McDonald and Hunter Smith on the other hand...
Interestingly, Sieloff has played a grand total of 2 NHL games, but managed to score in BOTH of those games. That's more goals than the majority of NHL draft picks...
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01-08-2020, 04:14 PM
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#253
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Uncle Chester
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TIL that the Assistant GM for the Dallas Stars is named Mark Janko.
You can't make this stuff up people!
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01-09-2020, 10:23 AM
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#254
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsJunky
TIL that the Assistant GM for the Dallas Stars is named Mark Janko.
You can't make this stuff up people!
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Also the Director of Amateur Scouting for the Sabres is named Ryan Jankowski.
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01-09-2020, 01:08 PM
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#255
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First Line Centre
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Mark Jankowski is a slightly less talented David Moss...
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01-09-2020, 02:07 PM
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#256
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In the Sin Bin
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He’s the new Kris Chucko Or Dustin Boyd
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01-09-2020, 02:14 PM
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#257
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
It may seem contradictory to some but I think all of the following are true:
1) Jankowski is a legit NHLer with some unlucky metrics this year
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Is it unlucky when he's not willing to play with any physicality or go to the tough places or really do anything at all that might impact a game?
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01-09-2020, 09:27 PM
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#258
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: So Long, Bannatyne
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01-09-2020, 09:37 PM
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#259
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Franchise Player
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Is Janko unlucky when he doesn't even have 20 shots on goal all year?
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01-09-2020, 09:38 PM
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#260
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Franchise Player
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He made a line with Rinaldo and Bennett soft. He's a style vampire. Eastern conference would be better for him, as long as it's not Boston or Washington.
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