NBA (and Raptors) 2024 Season

[bluejays]

lol. Leagues are so stupid when it comes to this stuff. I would "bet" that 95% of the league bets to some degree - whether that between themselves or officially on the books. So you have athletes who make crazy money and have so much they likely have a high propensity to gamble, yet you have rules about not gambling expecting them to adhere. Surely when a guy like Porter sees the chance to make a quick buck he'll do it, but man, it brings up the question about who is policing these things? He probably got someone to bet and they went overboard setting off alarm bells, or he's in the hands of someone he owes money to, but it still begs the question of how this is supposed to be policed when it's so easy to stay under the radar wager wise and still get someone to bet on your behalf.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So he scored 4 points and exited the game with fake injuries. They find out he’s had the highest wagers placed on him the next day.

[Strange Brew]

If your plan is to make a little extra cash constantly betting against yourself, you’re going to eventually screw yourself.

First of all, you’re going to suck. Good luck getting a new contract.

And if you try to bet any kind of volume, you will be sniffed out. With all the data analytic capabilities now, bets of any size on a particular player will be flagged.

It just doesn’t seem like a long term strategy. So Porter made a few extra thousand betting against himself? Now what?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If your plan is to make a little extra cash constantly betting against yourself, you’re going to eventually screw yourself.

First of all, you’re going to suck. Good luck getting a new contract.

And if you try to bet any kind of volume, you will be sniffed out. With all the data analytic capabilities now, bets of any size on a particular player will be flagged.

It just doesn’t seem like a long term strategy. So Porter made a few extra thousand betting against himself? Now what?

He is on a 2 way deal making 450k.

It’s easy to see how this would be flagged , do people bet on bums like this ?

[bluejays]

I'd like to see the video of the "eye injury" he re-aggravated.

[bluejays]

There are so many degenerates gambling on random things. In baseball they have bets that I've seen where you can bet what the next pitch will be. Or the 67th pitch or whatever, if it'll be a strike, ball or whatever. It's the volume and circumstances that gave him away apparently. He was kinda sensible to get an injury to not go above the over, to not make an obvious thrown away play as the bar is low in his case, but man, imagine getting accused of this where there's reason? Guy must be ####ting bricks waiting for a verdict to come through. I truly feel bad for certain guys like this. Among multimillionaires all the time, but can't play in their pen. If he did it, he made a mistake. Hope the book isn't thrown at him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He faked it.

Sounds like he told a bunch of people to bet on him. They said they never seen much action on an under.

That’s how the got tipped off. Who starts betting on Jontay Porter. What an idiot.

[Senator Clay Davis]

We're still, relatively speaking, in the infancy of legal sports betting on a wide scale. In time organized crime will become very sophisticated on how to game the system with locked in spreads and prop bets. Just look at tennis betting over the years and how OC has been able to set up large scale betting rings.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772401414746050914

No wonder he was betting on 3s. He definitely was trying to brick that.

[octothorp]

I absolutely loathe the NBA embracing gambling the way they have, and especially prop betting... this always seemed like an inevitable outcome that it would happen at some point. NBA teams already do so many subtle injury-management related things behind the scenes... it's not unthinkable for a team (especially a tanking team like the Raptors) to say to Porter, 'yeah, we're going to play you a little tonight but if you're feeling that injury even a tiny bit, we're going to sit you', and for that player to mention that to someone in his entourage and say that he expects to only play a few minutes without thinking about the betting implications, and for that person to make a bet themselves or relay it to someone who's in the market for tips.

I'm not saying that happened here... Porter being knowing of it seems more likely, but I am saying the scenario above likely happens frequently already. I'd be shocked that this is the first time this has actually happened... Porter being a fringe-enough player that the betting patterns really stand out, plus the league being happy to make an example of him in a way that they wouldn't with a star player. Usually (like with drug-related offenses) the NBA has non-public warnings first because they are desperate to keep their image as clean as possible.

Hell, it wouldn't be hard for someone with the right connections to figure out many of the young women who are in the periphery of NBA player circles and are in that for their own financial self-interest, and make it known that you're in the market for any tips related to player availability and health and that you'll cut them in on any profit from successful tips.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I absolutely loathe the NBA embracing gambling the way they have, and especially prop betting... this always seemed like an inevitable outcome that it would happen at some point. NBA teams already do so many subtle injury-management related things behind the scenes... it's not unthinkable for a team (especially a tanking team like the Raptors) to say to Porter, 'yeah, we're going to play you a little tonight but if you're feeling that injury even a tiny bit, we're going to sit you', and for that player to mention that to someone in his entourage and say that he expects to only play a few minutes without thinking about the betting implications, and for that person to make a bet themselves or relay it to someone who's in the market for tips.

I'm not saying that happened here... Porter being knowing of it seems more likely, but I am saying the scenario above likely happens frequently already. I'd be shocked that this is the first time this has actually happened... Porter being a fringe-enough player that the betting patterns really stand out, plus the league being happy to make an example of him in a way that they wouldn't with a star player. Usually (like with drug-related offenses) the NBA has non-public warnings first because they are desperate to keep their image as clean as possible.

Hell, it wouldn't be hard for someone with the right connections to figure out many of the young women who are in the periphery of NBA player circles and are in that for their own financial self-interest, and make it known that you're in the market for any tips related to player availability and health and that you'll cut them in on any profit from successful tips.

There’s only so much due diligence and monitoring that can take place, to take the counter argument. I also agree with you, but I guess to some degree they accepted they’ll punish perpetrators hard when caught, but there’s just too much money to miss out on.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Malachi dropping one of the most random 50 point games ever, right up there with that Terrence Ross 50 spot.

[octothorp]

With a handful of games to go, I have to say that the play-ins have been such a fantastic development for the competitive level in the league. I was against them originally (or at least of the view that they were just developed as a cheap and pointless ploy to try and get Zion into the bubble playoffs). Even with the non-playin teams basically set in both conferences, the battles to finish sixth or higher and avoid the playins are fantastic. The difference between finishing sixth vs. seventh. vs. eighth vs. ninth vs. tenth vs. eleventh is so substantial that no team in that range can afford to take their foot off the gas. Which is basically half the league. I'd love it if the standings stay about where they are and we get a Philly/Miami playin game on one side, and a Lakers/Warriors one on the other side.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by octothorp

With a handful of games to go, I have to say that the play-ins have been such a fantastic development for the competitive level in the league. I was against them originally (or at least of the view that they were just developed as a cheap and pointless ploy to try and get Zion into the bubble playoffs). Even with the non-playin teams basically set in both conferences, the battles to finish sixth or higher and avoid the playins are fantastic. The difference between finishing sixth vs. seventh. vs. eighth vs. ninth vs. tenth vs. eleventh is so substantial that no team in that range can afford to take their foot off the gas. Which is basically half the league. I'd love it if the standings stay about where they are and we get a Philly/Miami playin game on one side, and a Lakers/Warriors one on the other side.

I don't believe a team from that format has ever won a series.

Lakers/Warriors did have that game when LeBron saw 5 rims when he took a shot to continue his lies.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mean the Heat literally made the Finals last year from the play-in, Lakers made the WCF. But I'm actually going to go the other way and say the play-in has actually rendered the regular season even more irrelevant. Without the play-in the Lakers would actually need to care about most of the season instead of taking two-thirds of the last two regular seasons off, just to turn it on at the end.

[trackercowe]

It's basically a format to ensure LeBron and Steph make the "playoffs". I don't think that's even deniable at this point. When I watch the talking heads they spend more time talking about those two teams and the play-in than the rest of the playoff teams combined. It's shameful really, as there are plenty of great storylines going on this year... yet they're constantly stuck on James and Curry. Those two won't be around forever.

I can't wait for the Wembanyama to the Lakers conversation to happen in a few years from now. The NFL was able to move away from a Cowboys centric league, the MLB the same with the Yankees, yet the NBA cant seem to shake that megastar/Lakers mentality.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Which is ironic because the Lakers don't drive ratings like they used to. I would also argue the MLB is even more dependent on big markets than ever, if the Red Sox/Cubs/Yankees/Dodgers aren't involved you can basically guarantee historically low ratings. Speaking of LeBron, gonna be one the most interesting draft cycle ever. Who is going to severely overdraft Bronny just to try and lure LeBron there?

[bluejays]

The Raps could be one of those guys to do it, but one season of Lebron? No thanks. He'll demand to trade draft capital just to compete for that season with years of suck to follow. I wouldn't trade a championship for that. I hate seeing a terrible basketball team year after year. It's a complete eye sore in any sport.

[The Big Chill]

So the Raptors finish with the 6th worst record in the league, and our first round pick is top 6 protected. The lottery balls will decide whether we keep our pick or not. I’m not sure what we should even be cheering for, the draft this year is supposed to be very weak, but there is a decent chance our pick would be much later next year. That Poeltl trade was just terrible.

[Jason14h]

The pick is top 6 protected each of the next 6 years - so if they are going fully
Rebuild you hope they keep pushing it out and it eventually becomes two 2nds.

What a brain dead trade